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Best in the NHL right now?
I don't see why not.
If Lundqvist was putting up Elliott-like numbers, he'd be considered the best right now.
If Price was putting up Elliott-like numbers, he'd be considered the best right now.
Why not Elliott?
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Bad argument. Makes no sense.ComradeT wrote:Cause he's on the Blues, stupid... Duh!
I think if he plays like this in the postseason, you'll hear his name tossed out there. Even though it's not supposed to be based on playoff performance, we all know it has an impact one way or another.theohall wrote: IMO, this makes Elliott's top SV% and top GAA more impressive and deserving of Vezina consideration, but it won't happen because the top candidates have played almost twice as many games.
Given their resilience this regular season when playing down a goal, hopefully, that regular season resilience will translate into playoff success. Better yet, they actually score goals instead of struggle to score and don't have to worry about being resilient. They've only had 3 losing streaks of more than 2 games this season. One of them was immediately after Steen and Elliott were injured and they had rushed Allen back into goal. Of course, they didn't really have any significant losing streaks last season. IMO, having them helps the team adjust during the season vice not having them and having to figure out how to recover in the playoffs.glen a richter wrote:How would Elliott's numbers look if he had an identical workload to the Vezina perennials? Maybe just as good, maybe worse, we'll never know as long as this team is riding a 1A/1B.
I'll repeat though, and I know a lot of folks agree with me... goaltending was never the issue in the playoffs, a tendency to have complete and utter meltdowns after falling behind a goal and the lack of confidence that goes with trailing in a playoff game is the main culprit for why this team can't escape the first round. That and the inability to let go of yesterday's loss while playing tomorrow's game. Try to convince me that every time this team loses a playoff game the thought in the front of their heads isn't "here we go again."
Thing is, I feel like the shots are lower quality this year. It seems to me that, generally speaking, the Blues are trying to play a bit more like a modern NHL team which involves allowing the opposition more possession in low-quality areas, kind of like a lot of the possession the Blues have had in recent years. Much like it would be cool to have an FIP like stat for goalies to remove the effect of the team in front of them, it would also be cool to have some way to measure quality of shots, something along the lines of "hard hit balls" in baseball.theohall wrote:While mentioning the system, Blues goaltenders are facing considerably more shots this season than the prior 4, so those shutouts this season are earned, IMO, not just shutouts because of the system.
The closest thing to the FIP thing I can find, for now, is the Quality Starts stat from Hockey-Reference. Unfortunately, it isn't measuring saves against quality chances. It's based on starts with SV% greater than the league SV% or at least 88.5% when facing less than 20 shots.ecbm wrote:Thing is, I feel like the shots are lower quality this year. It seems to me that, generally speaking, the Blues are trying to play a bit more like a modern NHL team which involves allowing the opposition more possession in low-quality areas, kind of like a lot of the possession the Blues have had in recent years. Much like it would be cool to have an FIP like stat for goalies to remove the effect of the team in front of them, it would also be cool to have some way to measure quality of shots, something along the lines of "hard hit balls" in baseball.theohall wrote:While mentioning the system, Blues goaltenders are facing considerably more shots this season than the prior 4, so those shutouts this season are earned, IMO, not just shutouts because of the system.
Barring a collapse, I don't think you can keep Elliott out of the Vezina conversation this season.