Rumor: Shattenkirk to Boston

[cprice12]

http://www.tsn.ca/trade-talk-jets-prepa ... e-1.442817

Boston Bruins general manager Don Sweeney heads into the deadline with a team in the thick of the playoff race, but one with a beaten-up defensive corps. Zdeno Chara and Dennis Seidenberg have lost a step, while Adam McQuaid and Kevan Miller just shouldn't be in the top-four situation that they currently find themselves in.

The team could have a trump card, though, to ameliorate that situation in Loui Eriksson.

CSN New England's Joe Haggerty reports that the team will look to move the 30-year-old winger should an extension not materialize before Monday. Eriksson is second on the team in goals (23) and points (48) and should command at least a first-round draft pick and a prospect if the Bruins were to choose to deal, but Haggerty believes that Sweeney could package Eriksson with picks and prospects of the Bruins' own for something even larger.

Haggerty believes that Eriksson, a first rounder and a prospect could land a young defenceman to help alleviate the burden on the existing group, speculating on Matt Dumba of the Minnesota Wild and Kevin Shattenkirk of the St. Louis Blues.

Nothing other than speculation...but still.

[ecbm]

http://www.tsn.ca/trade-talk-jets-prepa ... e-1.442817

Boston Bruins general manager Don Sweeney heads into the deadline with a team in the thick of the playoff race, but one with a beaten-up defensive corps. Zdeno Chara and Dennis Seidenberg have lost a step, while Adam McQuaid and Kevan Miller just shouldn't be in the top-four situation that they currently find themselves in.

The team could have a trump card, though, to ameliorate that situation in Loui Eriksson.

CSN New England's Joe Haggerty reports that the team will look to move the 30-year-old winger should an extension not materialize before Monday. Eriksson is second on the team in goals (23) and points (48) and should command at least a first-round draft pick and a prospect if the Bruins were to choose to deal, but Haggerty believes that Sweeney could package Eriksson with picks and prospects of the Bruins' own for something even larger.

Haggerty believes that Eriksson, a first rounder and a prospect could land a young defenceman to help alleviate the burden on the existing group, speculating on Matt Dumba of the Minnesota Wild and Kevin Shattenkirk of the St. Louis Blues.

Nothing other than speculation...but still.

Awful. Just absolutely awful and absolutely lazy. What I love about this bullshit speculation is the way that nobody seems to feel any need to explain why the Blues would make any of these prospective deals involving Shattenkirk other than: CAP!! No mention of money coming off the books and absolutely no consideration at all of whether it would be the best or even a good way to get some space. So yeah, let's trade our best D who's 27, makes 60% of Dion Phaneuf's salary and is under control for another season...for a guy no better than the rookie Hitch gives 13 minutes a night who, oh yeah, is UFA after this season. Because, apparently, what the Blues FO thinks of first when making a deal is: "how much can this help one of the NHL's 'marquee' franchises?"

If the Bruins want-oh, wait actually NEED-to dump Eriksson before they lose him for nothing, I'd give them a 4th-rounder. But apparently, since they're an "original six" team over whom the national hockey media cream their pants daily, that NEED to move him somehow gives them leverage.

pfffffffffffffffffffffft



Bottom line: if Army trades a stud like Shatty for a pending-UFA mediocrity like Eriksson he should just go ahead and tender his resignation if you ask me.

[ecbm]

On edit: the first rounder would sweeten the pot but still-there's a tell in them lumping together Minnesota, a fringe playoff team, and the Blues who have the 4th best record in the league despite everybody being injured at some point in the season.

[glen a richter]

Sub Pie for Shatty and I'd probably do it. If you can grab a first rounder... any first rounder, it becomes that much easier to trade into the top 5, and I really like this years draft. We have enough d in the system to compensate.

[theohall]

You guys do understand Shattenkirk isn't as good defensively against top line forwards as Pietrangelo, right?

Not saying "Trade Shattenkirk". Just saying Pietrangelo is a better defensive player and trading him for Eriksson and a first would not be getting fair value. Eriksson will walk as a UFA and the 1st round pick - if it isn't top 10.... and even then isn't a guaranteed top player. See Paajarvi at 10th overall.

And that would be for one of what many consider one of the best defenseman in the league. Remember Pronger for Brewer, Lynch and Woywitka?

If Pietrangelo gets traded, it's for real talent which isn't walking the next year. See how Yzerman is handling Drouin in that he wants someone in trade who will be with the team as long as Drouin would have been were Drouin not a cry-baby. If Blues move Petro, same thing should be considered or MULTIPLE high draft picks, not just one first.

[cardsfan04]

You guys do understand Shattenkirk isn't as good defensively against top line forwards as Pietrangelo, right?

Not saying "Trade Shattenkirk". Just saying Pietrangelo is a better defensive player and trading him for Eriksson and a first would not be getting fair value. Eriksson will walk as a UFA and the 1st round pick - if it isn't top 10.... and even then isn't a guaranteed top player. See Paajarvi at 10th overall.

And that would be for one of what many consider one of the best defenseman in the league. Remember Pronger for Brewer, Lynch and Woywitka?

If Pietrangelo gets traded, it's for real talent which isn't walking the next year. See how Yzerman is handling Drouin in that he wants someone in trade who will be with the team as long as Drouin would have been were Drouin not a cry-baby. If Blues move Petro, same thing should be considered or MULTIPLE high draft picks, not just one first.

I was just coming to make a similar point. Shatty is really good. But, you have to take into consideration the matchups he's seeing on the 2nd pair vs the top pair. Pietro doesn't have the scoring pizazz that Shatty does, but Pietro is a better all around player.

[ecbm]

Good points in the last couple posts. I would prefer to keep both unless I'm blown away by an offer for one or the other and a pending UFA and what projects to be the 21st overall pick is kinda "meh" to me. I've said repeatedly when this comes up that if you're going to trade a Petro you need to wait until he's had a real good run to maximize the return. As for Shatty-I get that he's potentially a somewhat less complete D but at $4.3M per I dare say he has one of the most team-friendly non-rookie contracts in the league. It would be truly idiotic to move that for anything less than a premium package: at the very least an impact player who isn't a pending UFA and a first or a top prospect.

[cprice12]

Couldn't agree with ECBM more...I've been saying this for weeks/months now.
There is absolutely no reason to move Shatty now unless we get blown away with an offer.

People that should know what they are talking about (and apparently don't) are saying we need cap help and that is the reason Shatty might be traded, but his salary RIGHT NOW isn't a cap hindrance at all...it's actually very cap friendly this year and next for the kind of player he is...he is a bargain. His cap hit is only $4.25 million. And we need to "dump" that right now, why exactly? To resign Backes? No. We do NOT dump Shatty so we can resign Backes. I'd rather move Backes at the deadline or let him walk in the offseason. I don't want to give him any more money than he is currently making, but he apparently wants a significant raise, and that would be a very bad thing for us to agree to.

If anyone comes to us needing defensive help, they should be offered Bouwmeester for a pick or prospect...THAT, would make more sense as far as we are concerned. I get that teams wouldn't like his salary, but if they are only giving up a pick or mid-level prospect, it might make it worth their while, assuming they have or will have the cap room themselves.

[Kerfuffle]

Shatty could be moved though in a package deal for a forward. You guys still need to bring in someone to replace Steen and the asking price might be a package that includes Shattenkirk.

[cprice12]

Shatty could be moved though in a package deal for a forward. You guys still need to bring in someone to replace Steen and the asking price might be a package that includes Shattenkirk.

Steen isn't lost for the season. He'll be back well before playoffs.
Losing Steen is big, but there is no need to panic. We are in good position in the standings.

[ecbm]

If anyone comes to us needing defensive help, they should be offered Bouwmeester for a pick or prospect...THAT, would make more sense as far as we are concerned. I get that teams wouldn't like his salary, but if they are only giving up a pick or mid-level prospect, it might make it worth their while, assuming they have or will have the cap room themselves.

Given what the Flyers got for Coburn last year-a 1st, a 3rd and a Gudas-I'm sure something could be done with Bouwmeester. The problem there is that Hitchcock is in love with 19, and as I just mentioned in another thread-don't hold your breath waiting for Army to make a move Hitch doesn't want.

Shatty could be moved though in a package deal for a forward. You guys still need to bring in someone to replace Steen and the asking price might be a package that includes Shattenkirk.

Steen isn't lost for the season. He'll be back well before playoffs.
Losing Steen is big, but there is no need to panic. We are in good position in the standings.

Exactly. Again, if a package deal were proposed that blew Army away, sure. Other than that, nah. There is no need to panic over Steen. I mean, Hitch could just give a few more minutes to the kid on pace for 20 goals in his rookie year on 12 minutes a night.

[cprice12]

If anyone comes to us needing defensive help, they should be offered Bouwmeester for a pick or prospect...THAT, would make more sense as far as we are concerned. I get that teams wouldn't like his salary, but if they are only giving up a pick or mid-level prospect, it might make it worth their while, assuming they have or will have the cap room themselves.

Given what the Flyers got for Coburn last year-a 1st, a 3rd and a Gudas-I'm sure something could be done with Bouwmeester. The problem there is that Hitchcock is in love with 19, and as I just mentioned in another thread-don't hold your breath waiting for Army to make a move Hitch doesn't want.

Shatty could be moved though in a package deal for a forward. You guys still need to bring in someone to replace Steen and the asking price might be a package that includes Shattenkirk.

Steen isn't lost for the season. He'll be back well before playoffs.
Losing Steen is big, but there is no need to panic. We are in good position in the standings.

Exactly. Again, if a package deal were proposed that blew Army away, sure. Other than that, nah. There is no need to panic over Steen. I mean, Hitch could just give a few more minutes to the kid on pace for 20 goals in his rookie year on 12 minutes a night.

With that said, I really want to see the Blues try to upgrade the offense, because even with everyone healthy, this team needs more. But moving Shattenkirk for something less than spectacular would be stupid.

[cardsfan04]

I'm in the don't move Shatty for salary cap purposes as well. We could use an offensive upgrade, but we're more or less in place to make a run in the playoffs (Blues-curse not withstanding). You don't address a potential 2016-17 salary cap issue at the expense of this year.

[APOD]

Just want it to be Monday so the all rumors stop.

Heard so many rumors over the last few days, Cam Ward to STL, Reimer to STL, Schlemko and Stempniak, Hudler, Russell, Sobotka, Eriksson.

I like the idea of getting Eriksson but I would want only 2-3 years on a contract and thats going to come at a high price tag 6.5m, while someone could probably sign him at 5.8 for 5-6 years. He will probably test free agency and walk unless we throw huge money or huge term right off the bat. I do like the the idea of getting the first rounder and flipping ours and it to draft into the top 10, but why couldn't we just do that with Shattenkirk at the draft and then we get to keep him for the playoffs.

I would much rather go after Stempniak and let Sobotka play out the rest of his contract for deep push instead of trying to make a huge splash, PP would benefit and we probably wont lose much to get Stempniak and he would be 3rd in points on our team tied for 2nd in goals and assists. Immediate replacement for Steen while he is injured.

Schwartz-Lehtera-Tarasenko
Steen-Statsny-Stemp
Fabbri-Sobo-Backes Fabbri-Sobo-Berglund
Berglund-Ott-Brouwer Brouwer-Ott-Backes Upshall-Backes-Brouwer

(trade Paajarvi, Brodziak, Reaves) keep Ott, Jaskin and Upshall up or send Jaskin down and keep Ott, Paajarvi and Upshall

[glen a richter]

The way I see things, we didn't spend all those draft picks on quality d prospects to hang onto guys like Bouwmeester and Gunnarsson long term. Whatever route the team intends to go, you trade from a strength to solidify a weakness and defensive depth is a major strength in this organization. Would I trade Shatty right now? No. I would trade Pie on account of the idea that he's not really living up to expectations. When a 3rd rounder like Parayko is playing like a top 10 draft pick and it's only his first season, I'd expect a guy like Pietrangelo to follow suit. I would trade Bouwmeester, I would trade Gunnarsson, I obviously would not trade all of them all at the same time. But I feel confident in this teams long term defensive prospect pool to trade pretty much anyone--including Shattenkirk possibly down the line, to acquire some kind of offensive help.

One guy I'd love to see the Blues get before Monday is Kyle Okposo. If he cost a d-man, I'd be cool with that because he brings desperately needed offense to the table. Dude's a game changer.

[glen a richter]

Just want it to be Monday so the all rumors stop.

Heard so many rumors over the last few days, Cam Ward to STL, Reimer to STL, Schlemko and Stempniak, Hudler, Russell, Sobotka, Eriksson.

I like the idea of getting Eriksson but I would want only 2-3 years on a contract and thats going to come at a high price tag 6.5m, while someone could probably sign him at 5.8 for 5-6 years. He will probably test free agency and walk unless we throw huge money or huge term right off the bat. I do like the the idea of getting the first rounder and flipping ours and it to draft into the top 10, but why couldn't we just do that with Shattenkirk at the draft and then we get to keep him for the playoffs.

I would much rather go after Stempniak and let Sobotka play out the rest of his contract for deep push instead of trying to make a huge splash, PP would benefit and we probably wont lose much to get Stempniak and he would be 3rd in points on our team tied for 2nd in goals and assists. Immediate replacement for Steen while he is injured.

Schwartz-Lehtera-Tarasenko
Steen-Statsny-Stemp
Fabbri-Sobo-Backes Fabbri-Sobo-Berglund
Berglund-Ott-Brouwer Brouwer-Ott-Backes Upshall-Backes-Brouwer

(trade Paajarvi, Brodziak, Reaves) keep Ott, Jaskin and Upshall up or send Jaskin down and keep Ott, Paajarvi and Upshall

Getting Stempniak makes my jersey relevant again, but that doesn't do a whole lot to cure the offensive woes. Yes, he's having a very solid season, but no that's not consistent with his history. He's scored 20 once, 10 years ago with us, but he's not a world beater on offense. I want Okposo, Staal, Boedker, someone like that.

[APOD]

The way I see things, we didn't spend all those draft picks on quality d prospects to hang onto guys like Bouwmeester and Gunnarsson long term. Whatever route the team intends to go, you trade from a strength to solidify a weakness and defensive depth is a major strength in this organization. Would I trade Shatty right now? No. I would trade Pie on account of the idea that he's not really living up to expectations. When a 3rd rounder like Parayko is playing like a top 10 draft pick and it's only his first season, I'd expect a guy like Pietrangelo to follow suit. I would trade Bouwmeester, I would trade Gunnarsson, I obviously would not trade all of them all at the same time. But I feel confident in this teams long term defensive prospect pool to trade pretty much anyone--including Shattenkirk possibly down the line, to acquire some kind of offensive help.

One guy I'd love to see the Blues get before Monday is Kyle Okposo. If he cost a d-man, I'd be cool with that because he brings desperately needed offense to the table. Dude's a game changer.

I would love to trade Bouw and keep Shattenkirk that would be fantastic but who will take Bouw and will Bouw waive his NTC.

Okposo would be fantastic, I forgot he is most likely available.

[APOD]

Just want it to be Monday so the all rumors stop.

Heard so many rumors over the last few days, Cam Ward to STL, Reimer to STL, Schlemko and Stempniak, Hudler, Russell, Sobotka, Eriksson.

I like the idea of getting Eriksson but I would want only 2-3 years on a contract and thats going to come at a high price tag 6.5m, while someone could probably sign him at 5.8 for 5-6 years. He will probably test free agency and walk unless we throw huge money or huge term right off the bat. I do like the the idea of getting the first rounder and flipping ours and it to draft into the top 10, but why couldn't we just do that with Shattenkirk at the draft and then we get to keep him for the playoffs.

I would much rather go after Stempniak and let Sobotka play out the rest of his contract for deep push instead of trying to make a huge splash, PP would benefit and we probably wont lose much to get Stempniak and he would be 3rd in points on our team tied for 2nd in goals and assists. Immediate replacement for Steen while he is injured.

Schwartz-Lehtera-Tarasenko
Steen-Statsny-Stemp
Fabbri-Sobo-Backes Fabbri-Sobo-Berglund
Berglund-Ott-Brouwer Brouwer-Ott-Backes Upshall-Backes-Brouwer

(trade Paajarvi, Brodziak, Reaves) keep Ott, Jaskin and Upshall up or send Jaskin down and keep Ott, Paajarvi and Upshall

Getting Stempniak makes my jersey relevant again, but that doesn't do a whole lot to cure the offensive woes. Yes, he's having a very solid season, but no that's not consistent with his history. He's scored 20 once, 10 years ago with us, but he's not a world beater on offense. I want Okposo, Staal, Boedker, someone like that.

I just think he is low cost high reward if he walks after this season no sweat.

Any of those guys would help us, but realistically are they 1. going to bring us a cup this year 2. Will they resign

I want a trade that improves the team for more than 1 month and 1st round exit. I think we need offense but why is our talented team not producing it.

[theohall]

I want a trade that improves the team for more than 1 month and 1st round exit. I think we need offense but why is our talented team not producing it.

Not enough offensive depth. If Schwartz, Tarasenko, or Steen are injured - any of the 3 individually not at the same time, this organization currently doesn't have one player who can step in and replace them. Many believe Rattie could help more than Paajarvi or Jaskin, who both keep regressing, but Hitchcock flat out refuses to give Rattie any significant ice time, while playing checkers who are progressively getting worse.

[glen a richter]

I want a trade that improves the team for more than 1 month and 1st round exit. I think we need offense but why is our talented team not producing it.

Not enough offensive depth. If Schwartz, Tarasenko, or Steen are injured - any of the 3 individually not at the same time, this organization currently doesn't have one player who can step in and replace them. Many believe Rattie could help more than Paajarvi or Jaskin, who both keep regressing, but Hitchcock flat out refuses to give Rattie any significant ice time, while playing checkers who are progressively getting worse.

Because of Army's fierce loyalty to Hitch, Rattie will leave at the end of the season and end up scoring 25/season with his new team. With a proper coaching change and convincing Rattie to stay, he can be very successful at the NHL level. Playing him at the NHL level in a Hitch system will only hurt his development and monetary worth down the line. He's better off playing great in the AHL and leaving for a team like Tampa or the Rags next year. A shame, since he's got a great hockey sense and it's not appreciated by current coaching.