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The NHL is finalizing discussions to bring an outdoor hockey game to Busch Stadium in 2017, multiple sources have told the Post-Dispatch.

The plan is not yet complete, but the league is strongly considering the city to host the "Winter Classic," in which the Blues' opponent could be the Chicago Blackhawks. There is also the option of the team playing in a "Stadium Series" game, but according to sources, the Cardinals are expecting to host a hockey game at Busch on Jan. 2, which is a potential date for next year's Winter Classic.

On Saturday, an NHL executive declined comment "at this point." The Blues also declined comment.

An announcement on the NHL's ninth Winter Classic venue and participating teams could come within the next week. The league is about two weeks behind the date that it unveiled Gillette Stadium in Foxborough, Mass., as the host of the 2016 Winter Classic. That game, which featured Boston and Montreal, was announced on Jan. 24, 2015 and played on Jan. 1, 2016.

The selection of St. Louis would be a strong feather in the city's cap considering the 2016-17 season will simultaneously mark the NHL's 100th anniversary and the Blues' 50th anniversary.

The Blues are already planning several marquee events to commemorate a half-century since they were one of six teams brought into the league as an expansion franchise in 1967-68. An outdoor game at Busch Stadium, which could attract nearly 50,000 fans, would be the crown jewel for the organization.

The Blues and Cardinals already share a strong bond, which was underscored when Blues owner Tom Stillman and Cardinals President Bill DeWitt III dropped a ceremonial puck together before a game at Scottrade Center Jan. 15. DeWitt, a close friend of Stillman's and a hockey enthusiast, has long been a proponent of hosting an outdoor game.

The city has patiently waited while 10 NHL teams have participated in the Winter Classic, including six who have made two appearances each. The concept of the league playing outdoors became so popular that it introduced the Stadium Series in 2014, leading to five more games in the last two years. In all, 15 of the 30 clubs have played in an outdoor game, and two more will be added when Minnesota and Colorado each host Stadium Series games later this month.

The Blues' first appearance is expected to come in a year when the NHL is using its premier events to showcase several of the expansion clubs celebrating anniversaries.

The LA Kings, one of those six clubs, were awarded the 2017 All-Star Game last week. The Philadelphia Flyers and Pittsburgh Penguins, two others, are also expected to play in an outdoor game in 2017, ESPN.com recently reported.

It remains a possibility that Philadelphia and Pittsburgh could be chosen as next year's Winter Classic matchup, leaving the Blues to play in a Stadium Series game. But the uncertain availability of the football stadiums in those cities, which could be leading to the delay in the NHL's announcement, may work in the Blues' favor.

The traditional date for the Winter Classic is Jan. 1, but that falls on a Sunday next year, the final day of the NFL regular season. The NHL would like to play the game on Jan. 2 to avoid going head-to-head with the NFL, but if neither field is available, then the Blues and Busch might be the next best option.

Toronto, where the Maple Leafs will be celebrating their centennial year in 2017, is also an option for the Winter Classic. But according to ESPN.com, the league could be concerned about oversaturating the market in a city that will host the World Cup of Hockey in September and the World Junior Championships in December.

Derrick Goold of the Post-Dispatch staff contributed information to this story.
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I figured St. Louis would eventually get a Stadium Series game, but thought they'd NEVER get the New Year's Day game. Congratulations to St. Louis!
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More info:
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Nice. The timing couldn't be better, now that I am stationed here.
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I'm excited! I was hoping that we would play Dallas(technically another expansion team), but the NHL will see the Hawks bringing in the ratings. I just hope we don't see a sea of red out there.....I'll just pretend they are Cardinals fans :mrgreen:
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This should have happened for the blues a few years ago...and at the time, I would have LOVED to have faced the Hawks. But they have had so many outdoor games, I'm kind of tired of seeing them and a couple other teams in the outdoor games so much with so many other teams not having a game yet. I'd almost rather see us play Nashville at this point.

With that said...it figures the Blues are likely getting one next year because I think after last year I had pretty much given up hope of us ever getting one. I was so disgusted and annoyed with recycling a number of the same teams each and every year.

It's not official yet...but JR pretty much acted like it was. And getting the Winter Classic would be bad ass...but it being on Jan. 2nd is retarded. A Monday. Really? (Frank) the NFL and Jan. 1st being the final day of the regular season. Just move the game to a night game if they are worried about losing some tv audience to the NFL. They'd likely have it at night on Monday anyway...surely it wouldn't be during the day on a Monday...a workday.

I guess it won't be long before we start to see concept jerseys for the event. My bet is them breaking out the 1967 style sweater.
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I was searching on this and cannot find any official announcement. Is this a done deal or just strong rumor at this point?

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https://twitter.com/jprutherford/status/696118955996536832 https://twitter.com/jprutherford/status/696343942548180993 Link to article in tweets

Sounds like an outdoor game is a sure thing, whether its the classic or a stadium game is yet to be determined as is the opponent though Hawks have a huge advantage in that area.
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Kerfuffle wrote:I was searching on this and cannot find any official announcement. Is this a done deal or just strong rumor at this point?
Nothing official yet...but apparently it's just a matter of stadium availability as far as who gets the Winter Classic game or a Stadium Series game.
JR wouldn't tweet out that the Blues were getting an outdoor game if he didn't have solid info on it. He's not a "tweet out every rumor and see what sticks" kind of guy at all. If he tweets it, it's more than likely happening.
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If it's true then then I can only see an opponent being the Blackhawks or Detroit. You've got to have an original 6 in there to bring the television revenue that Bettman wants. Let's be realistic guys - you're not getting Nashville or Dallas - no one would watch. I'm also curious as to how the NHL will deal with Budweiser thing of Busch stadium since it is not an official NHL brew at games. Will they sell both brews or just not name the stadium? Should be interesting.

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Kerfuffle wrote:If it's true then then I can only see an opponent being the Blackhawks or Detroit. You've got to have an original 6 in there to bring the television revenue that Bettman wants. Let's be realistic guys - you're not getting Nashville or Dallas - no one would watch.
Pittsburgh and St. Louis got the top two local tv ratings spots last year. Neither one an original 6 team. Granted these aren't national numbers, but it still says a lot.
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And honestly, an original six team has little to do with it. Montreal, Toronto & the Rangers wouldn't bring in huge ratings. But yes, Chicago and Detroit would because of the size of their fan base.
And I agree that few markets would care about Nashville. But that wasn't my point anyway. I was just talking about whom I personally would like to see at this point with Chicago seemingly playing in one every year now and Detroit also having played in a few as well.
Kerfuffle wrote:I'm also curious as to how the NHL will deal with Budweiser thing of Busch stadium since it is not an official NHL brew at games. Will they sell both brews or just not name the stadium? Should be interesting.
Technically, the stadium is not named after the beer. It is named after the Busch family. And they can't exactly do a broadcast and not mention the stadium name.
I think I remember Bill DeWitt (Cardinals owner) being asked about the possible beer conflict in an interview at some point and I think I remember him saying no, it wouldn't be an issue. So, whatever that means.
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cprice12 wrote: Pittsburgh and St. Louis got the top two local tv ratings spots last year. Neither one an original 6 team. Granted these aren't national numbers, but it still says a lot.
I don't agree - I believe it just means the LOCAL numbers are strong which is a given for that city. If St. Louis played Nashville in the Winter Classic both of those 2 cities would have the highest ratings in the nation. But the fact is would the rest of the nation care or tune in? Unlikely. Hence you have to pair the Blues with a rival and most of those are original 6 teams. Since Chicago and Detroit are the closest proximity wise those are your 2 top rivals.

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Kerfuffle wrote:You've got to have an original 6 in there to bring the television revenue that Bettman wants.
Objection, irrelevant.

And as I've pointed out countless times here: every single MLB stadium is festooned with Budweiser ads, as that's the league's beer sponsor. I have no idea where people get the idea that this is a problem.

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Kerfuffle wrote:You've got to have an original 6 in there to bring the television revenue that Bettman wants.
Objection, irrelevant.

And as I've pointed out countless times here: every single MLB stadium is festooned with Budweiser ads, as that's the league's beer sponsor. I have no idea where people get the idea that this is a problem.
Yeah, it will be a total non-issue. Scottrade has Bud Light ads painted on the ice. Also has them on the boards and various other places throughout the arena. It's clearly not an issue if beer ads other than Coors are present.
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Kerfuffle wrote:I was searching on this and cannot find any official announcement. Is this a done deal or just strong rumor at this point?
That's why I tagged it w/ Report in the topic line....just because it's not official. But JR, plus Elliott Friedman are tweeting info, there's gotta be something to it.
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cprice12 wrote: Pittsburgh and St. Louis got the top two local tv ratings spots last year. Neither one an original 6 team. Granted these aren't national numbers, but it still says a lot. If St. Louis played Nashville in the Winter Classic both of those 2 cities would have the highest ratings in the nation.
I don't agree - I believe it just means the LOCAL numbers are strong which is a given for that city.
I did in fact mention that those were local ratings. But the Blues have had very good national ratings dating back to when ESPN had the NHL. They have always drawn well in St. Louis and on national tv.
Kerfuffle wrote:But the fact is would the rest of the nation care or tune in? Unlikely. Hence you have to pair the Blues with a rival and most of those are original 6 teams. Since Chicago and Detroit are the closest proximity wise those are your 2 top rivals.
No. Detroit is in no way shape or form a top 2 rival of ours anymore. Yes, they are hated...but not a top rival anymore.
And you don't think the Predators are a rival of ours? They are a pretty big one actually. Much more so than Detroit is anymore. Our biggest rivals right now only include one original six team and that is Chicago.
I'd say, Chicago, Nashville, Minnesota & LA are our biggest rivals..and Dallas could be soon.

And the first Winter Classic in 2008 was Pittsburgh at Buffalo. Neither is an original 6 team.
In 2011 it was Washington vs. Pittsburgh. Neither is an original six team.
The other six have had original six teams.
While an original six team in the Winter Classic is a common thing, the NHL has proven in the past that it isn't some sort of unwritten rule that one of them has to be in there as the NHL has had two Winter Classics without an original six team participating.
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cprice12 wrote: No. Detroit is in no way shape or form a top 2 rival of ours anymore. Yes, they are hated...but not a top rival anymore.
And you don't think the Predators are a rival of ours? They are a pretty big one actually. Much more so than Detroit is anymore. Our biggest rivals right now only include one original six team and that is Chicago.
I'd say, Chicago, Nashville, Minnesota & LA are our biggest rivals..and Dallas could be soon.

And the first Winter Classic in 2008 was Pittsburgh at Buffalo. Neither is an original 6 team.
In 2011 it was Washington vs. Pittsburgh. Neither is an original six team.
The other six have had original six teams.
While an original six team in the Winter Classic is a common thing, the NHL has proven in the past that it isn't some sort of unwritten rule that one of them has to be in there as the NHL has had two Winter Classics without an original six team participating.
Respectfully I believe you are dismissing the reasons why certain teams are chosen and others are not. I think we can figure out how teams would be chosen - I'll break it down into 4 categories
1) At least one time is from a big market
2) Marquee players on both teams
3) Rivalries
4) Intangibles - recent championships / relevance / sponsorships / logistics / stadium availability and size

While all 4 above are criteria I believe #1 is the main piece. So let's apply this to the Buffalo / Pittsburgh example you gave. You had a huge New York market in Buffalo. You have Crosby and Malkin. Rivalry? Eh not so much. Intangibles at the time was the huge stadium they were able to host it in. And don't forget it was the first one and that's huge.

Now let's apply it to St Louis and a couple pairings:
St. Louis vs. Nashville
1) At least one team from a big market? No, both teams are from smaller markets. The deal would die right here but let's continue.
2) Marquee Players from both teams? No. Tarasenko from St. Louis would qualify but Nashville doesn't have any marquee players. I wouldn't count Shea Weber as a marquee guy.
3) Rivalries? On a local scale I guess if you say so I'll agree. From a national standpoint no one would care.
4) Intangibles? Neither team has had a game. Busch stadium would be cool.
Outcome: Wouldn't happen - while you pass #3 and #4 test you fail on #1 and #2.

St. Louis vs. Blackhawks
1) At least one team from a big market? Yes, Chicago and proven ratings success in 3 previous outdoor games on national level
2) Marquee Players from both teams? Yes
3) Rivalries? Yes
4) Intangibles? Both teams have storied history with each other, original 6 team involved, new host team in Blues, Chicago's recent success
Outcome: This would work. I would apply the same thing to any of the other 3 Original Six teams as well as I believe these would all be exciting games. (i.e. substitute Blackhawks for NY Rangers)

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I don't think he's arguing against why the Blackhawks are the likely team. It's more that he's sick of seeing them in an outdoor game every single year. That's a common sentiment that I too hold. I mean, I kinda want it to be the blackhawks, but I'm sick of seeing them in that game and think Nashville would be a really cool opponent too.

Why the same teams get chosen a lot isn't lost on us. But, understanding why the NHL/NBC choose teams doens't mean we have to like it.
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cardsfan04 wrote:I don't think he's arguing against why the Blackhawks are the likely team. It's more that he's sick of seeing them in an outdoor game every single year. That's a common sentiment that I too hold. I mean, I kinda want it to be the blackhawks, but I'm sick of seeing them in that game and think Nashville would be a really cool opponent too.

Why the same teams get chosen a lot isn't lost on us. But, understanding why the NHL/NBC choose teams doens't mean we have to like it.
I too believe that St. Louis should have a game - either hosted or not in St. Louis. The Blackhawks are 0-for-2 in Winter Classics so I really don't want to be in another one. When I think of myself being excited for this game in St Louis there are teams I would watch the Blues play (i.e. original 6, Washington, Philly, Pitt) and there's teams I would absolutely care less if they were the opponent (i.e. Nashville, Dallas, Minnesota), etc. I'm actually having a hard time caring about our upcoming game against Minnesota later this month. Word is that tickets aren't selling well.

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Kerfuffle wrote:I'm also curious as to how the NHL will deal with Budweiser thing of Busch stadium since it is not an official NHL brew at games. Will they sell both brews or just not name the stadium? Should be interesting.
The Winter Classic is sponsored by Bridgestone. This might only be an issue with a Coors Light Stadium Series game. Coors Light being the official beer of the NHL isn't a big deal at all. Bud is still on the ice and boards at Scottrade. If anything, this points to a Winter Classic over a Stadium Series game.
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