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I wonder if we'll see any apparations in the Tarasenko area.

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Maybe I'm turning into kodos here, but ultimately, this is the Blues we're talking about. 47 years and no Cups. Throughout the team's history, we've had some periods of incredible goaltending, incredible defense, incredible offensive players... and no Cups.

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying this Tarasenko train as much as anyone, and I'm thrilled as hell. It may very well be he is our most dynamic offensive player ever- I'm very close to unequivocally agreeing with that statement. But still, to date- no Cups.

If we don't go over the top, what good is it that Tarasenko is our most dynamic offensive player ever? Maybe I've just gotten my hopes dashed one too many times that it's turned me into a pessimist, but I'm sure the team will find a way to piss away any of Tarasenko's potential record achievements this season with a playoff loss to CHI, LA, or (God forbid) Nashville.
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gaijin wrote:Maybe I'm turning into kodos here, but ultimately, this is the Blues we're talking about. 47 years and no Cups. Throughout the team's history, we've had some periods of incredible goaltending, incredible defense, incredible offensive players... and no Cups.

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying this Tarasenko train as much as anyone, and I'm thrilled as hell. It may very well be he is our most dynamic offensive player ever- I'm very close to unequivocally agreeing with that statement. But still, to date- no Cups.

If we don't go over the top, what good is it that Tarasenko is our most dynamic offensive player ever? Maybe I've just gotten my hopes dashed one too many times that it's turned me into a pessimist, but I'm sure the team will find a way to piss away any of Tarasenko's potential record achievements this season with a playoff loss to CHI, LA, or (God forbid) Nashville.
I hear you man. I keep saying this season is very tedious for me because I can't evaluate this team's performance in any meaningful way until I see what they can do in the playoffs.

As for what good #91 is though, that's simple. Entertainment. Plus, it's pretty cool to have a player on the Blues who other hockey fans here in NYC (and there are lots of those here) bring up and ask about. That hasn't happened during my previous 10 years here, well except for Oshie after that shootout.

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The one thing that I'm really loving is how the rest of the team is chipping in, too. It's not just the Frank The Tank Show. Watching the game against the Kings last night made me realize that we have turned the corner in the sense that we are responding to adversity by scoring goals instead of giving up. Granted, it's later in the game, but we're starting to see that extra gear that we've been missing. Something got added in, I don't know if it's Lehtera or a new attitude or even Butler, but this team shows its claws more. I have waited years to see us go over the top on the Kings like we did last night after suffering a setback. Zebras hated us. The team didn't give up. I think we're almost there. Cut some driftwood and fine-tune this beast.
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Oaklandblue wrote:The one thing that I'm really loving is how the rest of the team is chipping in, too. It's not just the Frank The Tank Show. Watching the game against the Kings last night made me realize that we have turned the corner in the sense that we are responding to adversity by scoring goals instead of giving up. Granted, it's later in the game, but we're starting to see that extra gear that we've been missing. Something got added in, I don't know if it's Lehtera or a new attitude or even Butler, but this team shows its claws more. I have waited years to see us go over the top on the Kings like we did last night after suffering a setback. Zebras hated us. The team didn't give up. I think we're almost there. Cut some driftwood and fine-tune this beast.
After the Backes - Tarasenko scuffle in practice... they have played noticeably better.
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Oaklandblue wrote:The one thing that I'm really loving is how the rest of the team is chipping in, too. It's not just the Frank The Tank Show. Watching the game against the Kings last night made me realize that we have turned the corner in the sense that we are responding to adversity by scoring goals instead of giving up. Granted, it's later in the game, but we're starting to see that extra gear that we've been missing. Something got added in, I don't know if it's Lehtera or a new attitude or even Butler, but this team shows its claws more. I have waited years to see us go over the top on the Kings like we did last night after suffering a setback. Zebras hated us. The team didn't give up. I think we're almost there. Cut some driftwood and fine-tune this beast.
After the Backes - Tarasenko scuffle in practice... they have played noticeably better.
If that's what did it, I hope they fight constantly :) :okman:
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Extra gear is key here. They exploded in the third last night, and I said to my buddy, "that's the same shit LA and Chicago have been doing to us for years - getting an opportunity and taking it to blow open a close game."

The stats after the second period showed more shots for LA, but more scoring chances for the Blues. It's a matter of converting those chances.

Tarasenko can finish with the best of them, but it's really how much he creates out of nothing that makes him so dynamic, imo. The second goal was a thing of beauty - from the deke to the placement. Quick had zero chance; he was flat owned by that shot.
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not_a_wings_fan wrote:Extra gear is key here. They exploded in the third last night, and I said to my buddy, "that's the same shit LA and Chicago have been doing to us for years - getting an opportunity and taking it to blow open a close game."

The stats after the second period showed more shots for LA, but more scoring chances for the Blues. It's a matter of converting those chances.

Tarasenko can finish with the best of them, but it's really how much he creates out of nothing that makes him so dynamic, imo. The second goal was a thing of beauty - from the deke to the placement. Quick had zero chance; he was flat owned by that shot.
His first goal was beautiful as well. He received that pass from Ott, took a stride and let a quick lazer go from the top of circles that smoked Quick upper glove. How quick he got off that shot and the power behind it was unreal.

I see they gave the 2nd goal to Schwartz. I could tell it went off of his stick in front of the net, but JK and Panger didn't catch that....even after a half dozen replays. :?

And Steen's goal to essentially ice the game was another beauty. The way he lunged forward to corral that puck with his skate, then glided into the puck and let go a hard shot go that I'm sure Quick was partially screened on as his D-man tried to play goalie in front of him. That goal was fun to watch.
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ecbm wrote:
gaijin wrote:Maybe I'm turning into kodos here, but ultimately, this is the Blues we're talking about. 47 years and no Cups. Throughout the team's history, we've had some periods of incredible goaltending, incredible defense, incredible offensive players... and no Cups.

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying this Tarasenko train as much as anyone, and I'm thrilled as hell. It may very well be he is our most dynamic offensive player ever- I'm very close to unequivocally agreeing with that statement. But still, to date- no Cups.

If we don't go over the top, what good is it that Tarasenko is our most dynamic offensive player ever? Maybe I've just gotten my hopes dashed one too many times that it's turned me into a pessimist, but I'm sure the team will find a way to piss away any of Tarasenko's potential record achievements this season with a playoff loss to CHI, LA, or (God forbid) Nashville.
I hear you man. I keep saying this season is very tedious for me because I can't evaluate this team's performance in any meaningful way until I see what they can do in the playoffs.

As for what good #91 is though, that's simple. Entertainment. Plus, it's pretty cool to have a player on the Blues who other hockey fans here in NYC (and there are lots of those here) bring up and ask about. That hasn't happened during my previous 10 years here, well except for Oshie after that shootout.
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cprice12 wrote:
Oaklandblue wrote:The one thing that I'm really loving is how the rest of the team is chipping in, too. It's not just the Frank The Tank Show. Watching the game against the Kings last night made me realize that we have turned the corner in the sense that we are responding to adversity by scoring goals instead of giving up. Granted, it's later in the game, but we're starting to see that extra gear that we've been missing. Something got added in, I don't know if it's Lehtera or a new attitude or even Butler, but this team shows its claws more. I have waited years to see us go over the top on the Kings like we did last night after suffering a setback. Zebras hated us. The team didn't give up. I think we're almost there. Cut some driftwood and fine-tune this beast.
After the Backes - Tarasenko scuffle in practice... they have played noticeably better.
Makes you wonder who started and won that, huh...
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If you consider how we ended up with Tarasenko, it's unfathomable how lucky the team got. Effectively they dumped a failed defender in David Rundblad who's bounced to other teams and is lately a healthy scratch on Shitcago for a guy who could easily be a 100 point per season player. And the best part is we didn't have to surrender a lifetimes worth of 1st round picks to Ottawa in compensation for ripping them off.

Meanwhile, Ivan Barbashev somehow falls to the Blues in round two, and he could be every bit as good as Tarasenko if they play his development right. Two separate lines highlighted by young, dynamic Russian forwards would give fits to every opponent, every night. I feel like something has to go horribly wrong, because the way this is shaping up for the Blues is very un-Blues like.
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gaijin wrote:Maybe I'm turning into kodos here, but ultimately, this is the Blues we're talking about. 47 years and no Cups. Throughout the team's history, we've had some periods of incredible goaltending, incredible defense, incredible offensive players... and no Cups.

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying this Tarasenko train as much as anyone, and I'm thrilled as hell. It may very well be he is our most dynamic offensive player ever- I'm very close to unequivocally agreeing with that statement. But still, to date- no Cups.

If we don't go over the top, what good is it that Tarasenko is our most dynamic offensive player ever? Maybe I've just gotten my hopes dashed one too many times that it's turned me into a pessimist, but I'm sure the team will find a way to piss away any of Tarasenko's potential record achievements this season with a playoff loss to CHI, LA, or (God forbid) Nashville.
I'm not singling you out, but I hate this mentality. I'm with you in that this team can't fully be judged until the dust has settled on the playoffs. But to just lump this team in with the 46 that have failed before it? It does no good. And what if, when they finally hoist that beautiful trophy, I've had a negative mindset all year up until that moment? You can't savor it. You can't enjoy it.

Ultimately, this team may slip on the banana peel as they do every year, but until then, this team has as good a chance as the other 29 to make that run. LA was in the same boat as us...until they weren't. Chicago was for 49 years...until they weren't.
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gaijin wrote:Maybe I'm turning into kodos here, but ultimately, this is the Blues we're talking about. 47 years and no Cups. Throughout the team's history, we've had some periods of incredible goaltending, incredible defense, incredible offensive players... and no Cups.

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying this Tarasenko train as much as anyone, and I'm thrilled as hell. It may very well be he is our most dynamic offensive player ever- I'm very close to unequivocally agreeing with that statement. But still, to date- no Cups.

If we don't go over the top, what good is it that Tarasenko is our most dynamic offensive player ever? Maybe I've just gotten my hopes dashed one too many times that it's turned me into a pessimist, but I'm sure the team will find a way to piss away any of Tarasenko's potential record achievements this season with a playoff loss to CHI, LA, or (God forbid) Nashville.
And that's why these next several years are crucial.

Every team we've previously faced in the playoffs presented matchup problems because our top line was never as good/didn't steal us any goals, as much as the top line we were facing (a la Kane/Toews/Hossa or Kopitar/Carter, etc).

Now we do. Tarasenko is that guy that I feel you have to have to contend for a cup. A guy who can finish, who can score against any matchup the other team can put against him. Every team who's won a cup in the last decade had a guy or 2 or 3 who just finished and at critical times. That's why I think now it's different.

Tarasenko just stared to come into his own in the playoffs last season and this year I'm thinking he's arrived/shortly will.
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The Kings were all over him last night. Extra shoves, jawing at him, really focused on not letting him beat them.

He needs to figure out how to respond and keep scoring...and someone else needs to pick up some slack and pot more goals too.
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gaijin wrote:Maybe I'm turning into kodos here, but ultimately, this is the Blues we're talking about. 47 years and no Cups. Throughout the team's history, we've had some periods of incredible goaltending, incredible defense, incredible offensive players... and no Cups.

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying this Tarasenko train as much as anyone, and I'm thrilled as hell. It may very well be he is our most dynamic offensive player ever- I'm very close to unequivocally agreeing with that statement. But still, to date- no Cups.

If we don't go over the top, what good is it that Tarasenko is our most dynamic offensive player ever? Maybe I've just gotten my hopes dashed one too many times that it's turned me into a pessimist, but I'm sure the team will find a way to piss away any of Tarasenko's potential record achievements this season with a playoff loss to CHI, LA, or (God forbid) Nashville.
And that's why these next several years are crucial.

Every team we've previously faced in the playoffs presented matchup problems because our top line was never as good/didn't steal us any goals, as much as the top line we were facing (a la Kane/Toews/Hossa or Kopitar/Carter, etc).

Now we do. Tarasenko is that guy that I feel you have to have to contend for a cup. A guy who can finish, who can score against any matchup the other team can put against him. Every team who's won a cup in the last decade had a guy or 2 or 3 who just finished and at critical times. That's why I think now it's different.

Tarasenko just stared to come into his own in the playoffs last season and this year I'm thinking he's arrived/shortly will.
I hope "Shortly will" is it. If he hasn't fully arrived yet, look out.
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gaijin wrote:Maybe I'm turning into kodos here, but ultimately, this is the Blues we're talking about. 47 years and no Cups. Throughout the team's history, we've had some periods of incredible goaltending, incredible defense, incredible offensive players... and no Cups.

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying this Tarasenko train as much as anyone, and I'm thrilled as hell. It may very well be he is our most dynamic offensive player ever- I'm very close to unequivocally agreeing with that statement. But still, to date- no Cups.

If we don't go over the top, what good is it that Tarasenko is our most dynamic offensive player ever? Maybe I've just gotten my hopes dashed one too many times that it's turned me into a pessimist, but I'm sure the team will find a way to piss away any of Tarasenko's potential record achievements this season with a playoff loss to CHI, LA, or (God forbid) Nashville.
And that's why these next several years are crucial.

Every team we've previously faced in the playoffs presented matchup problems because our top line was never as good/didn't steal us any goals, as much as the top line we were facing (a la Kane/Toews/Hossa or Kopitar/Carter, etc).

Now we do. Tarasenko is that guy that I feel you have to have to contend for a cup. A guy who can finish, who can score against any matchup the other team can put against him. Every team who's won a cup in the last decade had a guy or 2 or 3 who just finished and at critical times. That's why I think now it's different.

Tarasenko just stared to come into his own in the playoffs last season and this year I'm thinking he's arrived/shortly will.
Completely agree. In the past, it's always felt like we've dominated most of the action against some really good teams, but if we made a small mistake, they had a guy or two that would take advantage and score a goal to make the puck domination irrelevant. I feel like we have that guy now.
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Hmmmm,

Timely goals and "highlight reel" goals ... let's see about how many Playoff GWGs he can rack up ... 16 would be AWESOME in the same playoff season!

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