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Yeah but game 3 he was stellar.flyingnote38 wrote:not to read too much into a single game but I groaned seeing the game 4 stats. At home with a chance to eliminate the other team, he gave up 5 goals on 17 shots in a period and a half.
there ya have it, Blues playoff goaltending
If I recall correctly, Army said he was planning on watching the Wolves play the rest of their playoffs, so he was undoubtedly viewing this first hand. Gotta wonder if Allen's performance today (and hopefully in subsequent rounds) will impact Army's decision on who he signs. Like whether he might go for an older mentor type if he think Allen's ready to carry the mail or if he opts for a guy to compete for the starting job for the forseeable future.Misc. Blues wrote:Yeah but game 3 he was stellar.flyingnote38 wrote:not to read too much into a single game but I groaned seeing the game 4 stats. At home with a chance to eliminate the other team, he gave up 5 goals on 17 shots in a period and a half.
there ya have it, Blues playoff goaltending
Western Conference Quarterfinals – Series “F” (best-of-5)
2-Chicago Wolves vs. 7-Rochester Americans
Game 1 – Fri., Apr. 25 – Chicago 4, ROCHESTER 3 (OT)
Game 2 – Sat., Apr. 26 – ROCHESTER 3. Chicago 2
Game 3 – Thu., May 1 – CHICAGO 4, Rochester 0
Game 4 – Fri., May 2 – Rochester 7, CHICAGO 2
Game 5 – Sun., May 4 – Rochester at Chicago, 3:00
I can see some harm. This is a team that had 111 points in the regular season. If Jake comes in and the pressure is too much, you could set him back and this team back moving forward. Is that a risk worth taking? I say if we get Brian Elliott back at a nice rate, it's not. No need to rush Allen along at all. Give him the chance to come in and win the job if he outplays Elliott. Make him earn it.glen a richter wrote:I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying.
When this team was falling off the face of the Earth, Halak was injured and Elliott was playing much like I, a non-hockey player, would be playing if I were drunk and trying to play NHL caliber hockey, who came in and settled things down? Jake Allen. I'm not even the slightest bit concerned that he'd crack under any sort of pressure. Ever.dmiles2186 wrote:I can see some harm. This is a team that had 111 points in the regular season. If Jake comes in and the pressure is too much, you could set him back and this team back moving forward. Is that a risk worth taking? I say if we get Brian Elliott back at a nice rate, it's not. No need to rush Allen along at all. Give him the chance to come in and win the job if he outplays Elliott. Make him earn it.glen a richter wrote:I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying.
Also remember, Cam Ward wasn't the starter during the regular season of his rookie year. His numbers during his in 2005-2006: 28 starts, 14-8-2, 3.68, .882. Not stellar numbers at all. It was after the team was down 0-2 in Round 1 that he came in and ripped off a classic performance.
If the team chooses to go your route, I'd fully support it. If they feel Allen is good to go, then I will. But in the back of my mind, I'll always have flashes of Rick Ankiel. Just never know when that might happen.glen a richter wrote:When this team was falling off the face of the Earth, Halak was injured and Elliott was playing much like I, a non-hockey player, would be playing if I were drunk and trying to play NHL caliber hockey, who came in and settled things down? Jake Allen. I'm not even the slightest bit concerned that he'd crack under any sort of pressure. Ever.dmiles2186 wrote:I can see some harm. This is a team that had 111 points in the regular season. If Jake comes in and the pressure is too much, you could set him back and this team back moving forward. Is that a risk worth taking? I say if we get Brian Elliott back at a nice rate, it's not. No need to rush Allen along at all. Give him the chance to come in and win the job if he outplays Elliott. Make him earn it.glen a richter wrote:I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying.
Also remember, Cam Ward wasn't the starter during the regular season of his rookie year. His numbers during his in 2005-2006: 28 starts, 14-8-2, 3.68, .882. Not stellar numbers at all. It was after the team was down 0-2 in Round 1 that he came in and ripped off a classic performance.
Are you afraid every time Allen tries to play the puck he'll wildly shoot it over the boards for a delay of game penalty?dmiles2186 wrote:If the team chooses to go your route, I'd fully support it. If they feel Allen is good to go, then I will. But in the back of my mind, I'll always have flashes of Rick Ankiel. Just never know when that might happen.glen a richter wrote:When this team was falling off the face of the Earth, Halak was injured and Elliott was playing much like I, a non-hockey player, would be playing if I were drunk and trying to play NHL caliber hockey, who came in and settled things down? Jake Allen. I'm not even the slightest bit concerned that he'd crack under any sort of pressure. Ever.dmiles2186 wrote:I can see some harm. This is a team that had 111 points in the regular season. If Jake comes in and the pressure is too much, you could set him back and this team back moving forward. Is that a risk worth taking? I say if we get Brian Elliott back at a nice rate, it's not. No need to rush Allen along at all. Give him the chance to come in and win the job if he outplays Elliott. Make him earn it.glen a richter wrote:I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying.
Also remember, Cam Ward wasn't the starter during the regular season of his rookie year. His numbers during his in 2005-2006: 28 starts, 14-8-2, 3.68, .882. Not stellar numbers at all. It was after the team was down 0-2 in Round 1 that he came in and ripped off a classic performance.
The yips, man. Can't get out of his own head. Basic things become monumental to achieve.glen a richter wrote:Are you afraid every time Allen tries to play the puck he'll wildly shoot it over the boards for a delay of game penalty?dmiles2186 wrote:If the team chooses to go your route, I'd fully support it. If they feel Allen is good to go, then I will. But in the back of my mind, I'll always have flashes of Rick Ankiel. Just never know when that might happen.glen a richter wrote:When this team was falling off the face of the Earth, Halak was injured and Elliott was playing much like I, a non-hockey player, would be playing if I were drunk and trying to play NHL caliber hockey, who came in and settled things down? Jake Allen. I'm not even the slightest bit concerned that he'd crack under any sort of pressure. Ever.dmiles2186 wrote:I can see some harm. This is a team that had 111 points in the regular season. If Jake comes in and the pressure is too much, you could set him back and this team back moving forward. Is that a risk worth taking? I say if we get Brian Elliott back at a nice rate, it's not. No need to rush Allen along at all. Give him the chance to come in and win the job if he outplays Elliott. Make him earn it.glen a richter wrote:I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying.
Also remember, Cam Ward wasn't the starter during the regular season of his rookie year. His numbers during his in 2005-2006: 28 starts, 14-8-2, 3.68, .882. Not stellar numbers at all. It was after the team was down 0-2 in Round 1 that he came in and ripped off a classic performance.
dmiles2186 wrote:The yips, man. Can't get out of his own head. Basic things become monumental to achieve.glen a richter wrote:Not everyone is a talent wasting star pitcher. And if he screws the pooch as a goalie, the team can convert him to the offensive superstar we're all pining for.dmiles2186 wrote:If the team chooses to go your route, I'd fully support it. If they feel Allen is good to go, then I will. But in the back of my mind, I'll always have flashes of Rick Ankiel. Just never know when that might happen.glen a richter wrote:When this team was falling off the face of the Earth, Halak was injured and Elliott was playing much like I, a non-hockey player, would be playing if I were drunk and trying to play NHL caliber hockey, who came in and settled things down? Jake Allen. I'm not even the slightest bit concerned that he'd crack under any sort of pressure. Ever.dmiles2186 wrote:I can see some harm. This is a team that had 111 points in the regular season. If Jake comes in and the pressure is too much, you could set him back and this team back moving forward. Is that a risk worth taking? I say if we get Brian Elliott back at a nice rate, it's not. No need to rush Allen along at all. Give him the chance to come in and win the job if he outplays Elliott. Make him earn it.glen a richter wrote:I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying.
Also remember, Cam Ward wasn't the starter during the regular season of his rookie year. His numbers during his in 2005-2006: 28 starts, 14-8-2, 3.68, .882. Not stellar numbers at all. It was after the team was down 0-2 in Round 1 that he came in and ripped off a classic performance.
Not everyone is a talent-wasting star pitcher. And if Allen screws the pooch as a goalie, they can convert him to the offensive mega-star we all pine for.
Are you afraid every time Allen tries to play the puck he'll wildly shoot it over the boards for a delay of game penalty?
Not everyone is a talent wasting star pitcher. And if he screws the pooch as a goalie, the team can convert him to the offensive superstar we're all pining for.dmiles2186 wrote:The yips, man. Can't get out of his own head. Basic things become monumental to achieve.glen a richter wrote:Not everyone is a talent-wasting star pitcher. And if Allen screws the pooch as a goalie, they can convert him to the offensive mega-star we all pine for.dmiles2186 wrote:If the team chooses to go your route, I'd fully support it. If they feel Allen is good to go, then I will. But in the back of my mind, I'll always have flashes of Rick Ankiel. Just never know when that might happen.glen a richter wrote:When this team was falling off the face of the Earth, Halak was injured and Elliott was playing much like I, a non-hockey player, would be playing if I were drunk and trying to play NHL caliber hockey, who came in and settled things down? Jake Allen. I'm not even the slightest bit concerned that he'd crack under any sort of pressure. Ever.dmiles2186 wrote:I can see some harm. This is a team that had 111 points in the regular season. If Jake comes in and the pressure is too much, you could set him back and this team back moving forward. Is that a risk worth taking? I say if we get Brian Elliott back at a nice rate, it's not. No need to rush Allen along at all. Give him the chance to come in and win the job if he outplays Elliott. Make him earn it.glen a richter wrote:I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying.
Also remember, Cam Ward wasn't the starter during the regular season of his rookie year. His numbers during his in 2005-2006: 28 starts, 14-8-2, 3.68, .882. Not stellar numbers at all. It was after the team was down 0-2 in Round 1 that he came in and ripped off a classic performance.
Are you afraid every time Allen tries to play the puck he'll wildly shoot it over the boards for a delay of game penalty?
'Talent wasting?' That's the point. Ankiel was a star, he was killing it. And then he just fell apart and couldn't get it back. I don't call that talent wasting. I mean, it's not like he didn't have a work ethic, he didn't have the stuff, he overrated, anything like that. He just had a mental block that completely forced him to change his position.glen a richter wrote:Not everyone is a talent wasting star pitcher. And if he screws the pooch as a goalie, the team can convert him to the offensive superstar we're all pining for.
Lesson one, young grasshopper: this is how you guarantee you make a family members wedding...STLADOGG wrote:Not next year.
Sign Miller to 2 years. Then when Miller leaves, Allen has a guy who taught him well and can step in, when ready.