Ek's Blues/Oshie rumor

[brynec]

On the Blues...

Something big is up. Remember they traded for and signed Halak very early last summer. There are those I talk to who feel they are on the verge of "a move of similar significance." There are several people wondering if Oshie could be the player heading out.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/W ... te/1/36226

Not that I trust Ek's "rumors" but at least it is something to talk about.
But if it is true who would they have to bring back to make it up for the "fans" in losing Oshie?

[kodos]

Blech. They need to keep Oshie. He's not worth that much in trade and he's a fan favorite, which has to count for something.

Unless his off ice shenanigans are so bad that they have no choice, or someone makes us a stupid offer, you have to hold on to him.

[Leedog]

Army would be villianized just like Keenan for trading Shanahan. And I guarantee he ain't getting that kinda return for 74.

[theohall]

Dallas Stars are not going to offer UFA Brad Richards a contract, but can still "trade" him prior to July 1st. If the Blues were to work a deal with Richards then trade - Oshie could be the one going. Dallas has similar ownership issues as the Blues, but isn't looking to pay anyone anything of any significance.

(All of that is complete speculation, other than the 1st sentence.)

[Robb_K]

[quote="theohall"]Dallas Stars are not going to offer UFA Brad Richards a contract, but can still "trade" him prior to July 1st. If the Blues were to work a deal with Richards then trade - Oshie could be the one going. Dallas has similar ownership issues as the Blues, but isn't looking to pay anyone anything of any significance.

(All of that is complete speculation, other than the 1st sentence.)[/quote]

The Blues couldn't risk getting Richards in a trade and then seeing him walk away at the end of the season. Isn't he going to be a UFA after this coming season? They'd need him to sign an extension to okay such a trade. If there's no guarantee, the asking price has to be significantly less than Oshie (and then Dallas probably nixes the deal).

[cardsfan04]

There's no way we get BR for him. Maybe if we add more to the trade, we'd have to pay Richards something like 3x what Oshie would make. That's not the kind of trade that a team in ownership transistion makes.

I don't think TJ should be untouchable, but I can't imagine getting enough value to make it worthwhile without adding a bunch of extra salary, unless it's the precursor to something major (like we trade him knowing that we are moving what we get in return for something huge).

[F Keenan]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/7113 ... -the-blues

Another site is reporting the Kings have interest in Oshie.

[abc789987]

I'm not sure I'd like to see Oshie get traded. I'd rather see him pull his head out of his ass grow up first.

[DaDitka]

I don't think it's necessarily a matter of the Blues looking to get rid of Oshie at all.

Armstrong, without attacking him publicly, has been plenty clear that the Blues and TJ's representation certianly have different views on what his next contract should look like.

They clearly understand that you have to give to get, and they want to get a top 9 (probably top six) forward, so TJ is 'in play'.

My guess is Armstrong is trying to see what is available out there and he has an idea of what chips his has to make a deal (Oshie, Cole, Bishop, Carlo, and three second round picks). It's just a matter of doing business, there aren't just trying to get rid of any of these guys (Though JR sure makes is sound as they they are not big Bishop fans at all).

I'll trust Armstrong. If you would have told me at this time last year that we would deal EJ, I would have blown a gasket. Remember, the hype machine was nearly as high about EJ at this time last year as it is about Pietrangelo now. However, I think we're all pretty happy with the trade.

If TJ is back, playing hard with the Blues next year, I'm thrilled. If he's moved this offseason for someone in a deal that makes the team better, I'm fine with that too.

I think the league knows what you've got in Oshie ( a 20 - 25 goal guy that usually plays tough, two-way hockey) so I think you'd get 'fair value', unlike if you would have moved a guy like Bergie last offseason. And if any general managers out there have the same delusions some of our fan base has - that TJ could develop into a 40 goal, 90 point player..........TRADE HIM TO THEM NOW!!!

[theohall]

Though JR sure makes is sound as they they are not big Bishop fans at all

Considering how Bishop played when given a chance while Halak was out, I'm not surprised JR sounds that way. Jake Allen apparently was the better goalie in Peoria last season and actually took the starting job from Bishop, even before his extended recall to the Blues. This make Bishop expendable, even if he is a hometown kid.

The only concern about Allen is his struggles in the playoffs for the Rivermen.

[cprice12]

I'm hoping Oshie isn't involved in any moves unless we get something stellar in return.
I like Oshie a lot.
He's one of those guys that you can just tell has that extra "doesn't quit" gear and that extra confidence on the ice. He's able to pull off moves that few others on the team can.
I'm not going to say he will score 40 goals, but if he stays healthy, I think the scoreboard ceiling is a lot higher than he has shown so far. He could reach 30 goals in the next few years if he stays healthy.
He's very good...and he knows it, and that confidence makes a huge difference on the ice.

It's kind of like when we first acquired D'Agostini. He just had a way about him that made me think he could put up some good numbers. Just something about the way he carried himself on the ice.

Oshie has that same thing going for him, but in a more well rounded way. He can play in all situations, and that's quite valuable.

I think trading Oshie and making a lateral move or getting an immediately only marginal improvement with the team is a mistake. Oshie's best years are still ahead of him...and I'd hate to see him reach his prime somewhere else. Not to mention the fact he is a huge fan favorite here and he makes the team money. They'd have to get a great offer to move him. And they might...I think league wide opinion of Oshie is very high. He's young, he's very talented, capable of putting up very good offensive numbers, he plays in all situations, he's great in shootouts, he can be a wrecking ball on the ice, etc.

I'd be very curious to see what teams would offer for Oshie.

[Hallplante]

F Keenan, please check your LGB mailbox for private message. Thanks.

--HallPlante

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/7113 ... -the-blues

Another site is reporting the Kings have interest in Oshie.

[cprice12]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/7113 ... -the-blues

Another site is reporting the Kings have interest in Oshie.

I hate it when reporters report rumors about acquiring someone without at least speculating on who would be going the other way.

Ugh.

[WaukeeBlues]

I'm not sure I'd like to see Oshie get traded. I'd rather see him pull his head out of his ass grow up first.

This.

Part of me still feels that we gave up on EJ too soon but obviously the timing was right and the return was pretty damn good- though I'm not wild about losing the 11th overall pick in that deal, literally the best case scenario for Colorado

Give Oshie more time. Fan favorite, obviously has talent... you don't just part with that.

[glen a richter]

Waukee, dude... the return on that trade was unbeatable. I'd sacrifice EJ again, just to get the same return. McClement is easily replaceable. Blues got a great power forward to complement Backes and a very good d-man who will do well in the Blues system. Screw 6, he wasn't performing, and considering how shitty he was doing in the note, it's amazing that Armstrong was actually able to fleece the Avs the way he did.

I envision Stewart popping in the cup clinching goal someday. Seriously.

[cprice12]

I'm not sure I'd like to see Oshie get traded. I'd rather see him pull his head out of his ass grow up first.

This.

Part of me still feels that we gave up on EJ too soon but obviously the timing was right and the return was pretty damn good- though I'm not wild about losing the 11th overall pick in that deal, literally the best case scenario for Colorado

Give Oshie more time. Fan favorite, obviously has talent... you don't just part with that.

Losing this year's pick works out better for the Blues...at least from what we know now.
Next year's draft is supposed to be much, much deeper.

So I disagree.
This trade couldn't have worked out better for the Blues. We got the best player in the deal, and we arguably got the 2nd best player in the deal as well...and the year that we get to keep our 1st round pick is the year with the deeper draft...all for a young and once promising defenseman who is underperforming and wasn't doing as he was asked by the coaching staff.

The term, "fleeced" comes to mind when I think of this trade.

[DaDitka]

The term, "fleeced" comes to mind when I think of this trade.

And how often has this organization been on the good side of that word?!?!

[gaijin]

The term, "fleeced" comes to mind when I think of this trade.

And how often has this organization been on the good side of that word?!?!

Stillman for Conroy!

Oh wait...

[glen a richter]

The term, "fleeced" comes to mind when I think of this trade.

And how often has this organization been on the good side of that word?!?!

Salvador for Janssen

[kodos]

Salvador for Janssen was a salary dump, not a real trade. It will take at least 5 years before we know how the EJ/Stewart trade worked out for both teams.

We've had some whopper good trades...

Old ass Federko for Adam Oates

Ramage and Wamsley for Brett Hull

Christer Olsson for Demitra