PERRON OFFICIALLY DONE THIS YEAR

[Krigloch the Furious]

Would love to see some decent helmets in the NHL

[ohio BLUES]

There should be a shutdown though, all exaggerating and sarcasm aside, the closest this team will get to the playoffs this season is buying tickets to attend games elsewhere. Why risk Perron going all Eric Lindros on us?

I don't disagree one bit. But, I do like it when Strickland is flat out wrong.

[STLADOGG]

Would love to see some decent helmets in the NHL

Why isn't everyone using the Mark Messier helmet?

[WaukeeBlues]

Would love to see some decent helmets in the NHL

One question I've recently had with the whole "Concussions in sports" discussions that have been going on this most recent year: do the contact sports openly share their helmet designs/safety features? You gotta believe companies that develop new helmets want to protect their interest in it but at the same time, especially the NFL and NHL, players would be benefited GREATLY by open discussions and sharing of products to give the best protection available. The physics of how guys get their heads rocked in football and hockey are really pretty similar in a lot of circumstances and some NFL players have already come out saying that new helmets they are wearing (namely Aaron Rogers when he took that hit from Peppers) are better than the ones they used before. With the NHL experiencing concussions at rates really similar to those of NFL players, I'd think it's a crying shame if they're not on the phone with the NFL trying to help out hockey players by getting some designs of new football helmets and seeing if they can reconfigure them for hockey.

[Krigloch the Furious]

Exactly
I dont remember what kind of helmet I used back in the day (might have been a Bauer)
But it was terrible. Shit pad inside of a shitty plastic shell.
Tell me these rich ass companies cant make something worthwhile

[cprice12]

Darren Pang says there is no "shutdown" in effect for Perron. Strickland loses again!

Kerber is saying the same thing...Perron is not "shut down".

His return is unlikely though.

Why isn't he being shut down? I'm thinking the only thing he can do is have a setback. Seems like he can do more harm than good in trying to come back this year.

[xbleed83bluex]

Something seems fishy about Perron's injury. McDonald got the same kind of injury after him, yet returned much quicker. Plus, several games ago, Perron and McDonald were watching the game from the booth and he seemed fine. I know his injury was severe, but I'm sure he could play if he and the team wanted him to. Maybe they're keeping him out so he can rest up and be better for next season.

[STLADOGG]

Something seems fishy about Perron's injury. McDonald got the same kind of injury after him, yet returned much quicker. Plus, several games ago, Perron and McDonald were watching the game from the booth and he seemed fine. I know his injury was severe, but I'm sure he could play if he and the team wanted him to. Maybe they're keeping him out so he can rest up and be better for next season.

I'm sure you know this but every concussion is different, look at Marc Savard.

[not_a_wings_fan]

I know I said this in a previous thread, but it bears repeating - Perron should not have returned after being knocked out in a game. There is no way you get knocked out cold and do not have a concussion. It was totally irresponsible of the medical staff, and likely contributes big time to his still being out. They should have shut him down on the spot no matter how he felt.

[STLADOGG]

I know I said this in a previous thread, but it bears repeating - Perron should not have returned after being knocked out in a game. There is no way you get knocked out cold and do not have a concussion. It was totally irresponsible of the medical staff, and likely contributes big time to his still being out. They should have shut him down on the spot no matter how he felt.

The same thing happened to Kariya on that Stevens hit and basically the same injury.

[WaukeeBlues]

I know I said this in a previous thread, but it bears repeating - Perron should not have returned after being knocked out in a game. There is no way you get knocked out cold and do not have a concussion. It was totally irresponsible of the medical staff, and likely contributes big time to his still being out. They should have shut him down on the spot no matter how he felt.

The same thing happened to Kariya on that Stevens hit and basically the same injury.

Except for the whole "clean hit" thing.

And IIRC, Kariya didn't get a concussion from that.

[goon attack]

I know I said this in a previous thread, but it bears repeating - Perron should not have returned after being knocked out in a game. There is no way you get knocked out cold and do not have a concussion. It was totally irresponsible of the medical staff, and likely contributes big time to his still being out. They should have shut him down on the spot no matter how he felt.

You are correct... and if his career ends early I'm sure there will be a lawsuit against the Blues.

My question is this: shouldn't Perron have known to keep himself out of the game? Yes, I know the coaching staff is there for guidance and all that, but come on...

[DaDitka]

I know I said this in a previous thread, but it bears repeating - Perron should not have returned after being knocked out in a game. There is no way you get knocked out cold and do not have a concussion. It was totally irresponsible of the medical staff, and likely contributes big time to his still being out. They should have shut him down on the spot no matter how he felt.

You are correct... and if his career ends early I'm sure there will be a lawsuit against the Blues.

My question is this: shouldn't Perron have known to keep himself out of the game? Yes, I know the coaching staff is there for guidance and all that, but come on...

This is the funny part to me. Both the NFL and the NHL are talking about how many more concussions players are having today.....NO THEY ARE NOT (or at least it's not that 'many' more) it's just that the teams are reporting them now and not just running the guys back out there as quickly simply because of the fear of the lawsuit. Hell, many have these players are being protected from themselves. More often then not, these players want to get back out there too soon.

It's not that the hits, the size, whatever is getting out of hand...There aren't more concussions.....there are more 'reported' concussions. More responsibility by medical staffs, more attention in the media, and one of the biggest names in the sport has created a 'perfect storm'.

[Chudman82]

I know I said this in a previous thread, but it bears repeating - Perron should not have returned after being knocked out in a game. There is no way you get knocked out cold and do not have a concussion. It was totally irresponsible of the medical staff, and likely contributes big time to his still being out. They should have shut him down on the spot no matter how he felt.

You are correct... and if his career ends early I'm sure there will be a lawsuit against the Blues.

My question is this: shouldn't Perron have known to keep himself out of the game? Yes, I know the coaching staff is there for guidance and all that, but come on...

This is the funny part to me. Both the NFL and the NHL are talking about how many more concussions players are having today.....NO THEY ARE NOT (or at least it's not that 'many' more) it's just that the teams are reporting them now and not just running the guys back out there as quickly simply because of the fear of the lawsuit. Hell, many have these players are being protected from themselves. More often then not, these players want to get back out there too soon.

It's not that the hits, the size, whatever is getting out of hand...There aren't more concussions.....there are more 'reported' concussions. More responsibility by medical staffs, more attention in the media, and one of the biggest names in the sport has created a 'perfect storm'.

But I think you're discounting the effect that the new rules regarding obstruction and interference have had. Where players used to be able to hook/hold/grab onto opponents to slow their momentum, they must now hit. More hitting leads to more falls onto the ice and obviously if your head hits the ice hard enough, you'll be concussed. Plus there's a growing "big hit" culture in the NHL I believe, where you hit to knock out as opposed to merely dispossessing your opponent of the puck, similar to big hits vs. safe tackles in the NFL.

Yes concussions are reported more, but I think the rate and severity/length of time missed due to these concussions shows that it's not just mild concussions that could be played through.

[DaDitka]

But I think you're discounting the effect that the new rules regarding obstruction and interference have had. Where players used to be able to hook/hold/grab onto opponents to slow their momentum, they must now hit. More hitting leads to more falls onto the ice and obviously if your head hits the ice hard enough, you'll be concussed. Plus there's a growing "big hit" culture in the NHL I believe, where you hit to knock out as opposed to merely dispossessing your opponent of the puck, similar to big hits vs. safe tackles in the NFL.

Yes concussions are reported more, but I think the rate and severity/length of time missed due to these concussions shows that it's not just mild concussions that could be played through.

Agreed, I think it's a bit of both. I just fear that over legislation will be detrimental to the game.

Last night on NHL on the Fly they pointed out that the greatest cause of these concussions (over the last two years) were actually legal hits.

As for 'big hits', there are far fewer big hits out there on the ice then there used to be (which actually goes against everyone's instigator argument). Hell there are so few BIG HITS at the Scott any more that the fans stand a cheer when Cam 'hits' the boards and just makes noise.

[purple_haze]

cindy crosby is back and where the hell is perron. He better not be made of glass

[goon attack]

[WaukeeBlues]

But I think you're discounting the effect that the new rules regarding obstruction and interference have had. Where players used to be able to hook/hold/grab onto opponents to slow their momentum, they must now hit. More hitting leads to more falls onto the ice and obviously if your head hits the ice hard enough, you'll be concussed. Plus there's a growing "big hit" culture in the NHL I believe, where you hit to knock out as opposed to merely dispossessing your opponent of the puck, similar to big hits vs. safe tackles in the NFL.

Yes concussions are reported more, but I think the rate and severity/length of time missed due to these concussions shows that it's not just mild concussions that could be played through.

Agreed, I think it's a bit of both. I just fear that over legislation will be detrimental to the game.

Last night on NHL on the Fly they pointed out that the greatest cause of these concussions (over the last two years) were actually legal hits.

As for 'big hits', there are far fewer big hits out there on the ice then there used to be (which actually goes against everyone's instigator argument). Hell there are so few BIG HITS at the Scott any more that the fans stand a cheer when Cam 'hits' the boards and just makes noise.

Part of it too has been the evolution of the game: players are faster and better skaters than they've ever been before. As much as I hate the team, watch Nick Lidstrom any day of the week. You CANNOT legally hit the guy in open ice. You can't. He skates way too well to even bother trying. Professional hockey players today play angles and body position extremely well and better than in the past. Part of the problem for guys that are too aggressive is if they go for the bit hit and miss, you're out of position and the guy is going the other way with the puck. That was always a possibility but with the speed and skill of players constantly evolving, it's that more common.

That's part of the reason I like watching North American amateur hockey pre-college: lots of kids still developing those skills so guys that want to go out and lay out a bunch of people usually get plenty of chances to do so... and legally. THAT'S entertainment

[STLADOGG]

cindy crosby is back

God Dammit

[goon attack]

players are faster and better skaters than they've ever been before. As much as I hate the team, watch Nick Lidstrom any day of the week. You CANNOT legally hit the guy in open ice. You can't. He skates way too well to even bother trying.

FAIL. I hope you see the illogic you used here.

Part of the problem for guys that are too aggressive is if they go for the bit hit and miss, you're out of position and the guy is going the other way with the puck.

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Guys are so worried about their positioning and assignments these days, going for the big hit just doesn't happen as much.

What I'd stress as a coach is that if you miss 3 times but lay one guy out, that's a tradeoff to take, especially if you can really (Frank) someone up, in a 7 game series for instance.

If I were coaching, Game 1 of each series would be time to lay as many people out as possible. If you lose the game, so be it, but if you take out 2 or 3 of their key guys, you'll probably end up winning the series.