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FYI, we also missed on Jon Quick. He was drafted in the second round by the Kings.richtedm wrote:I would also criticize them for passing on Paul Stastny, that one is gonna hurt as long as Paul is in the league.
Henrik Lundqvist was a 3rd rounder. Now I won't say that the Rangers are any good as they're also fighting for their playoff lives, but King Henrik is quite good, in fact. It's the rest of the team in front of him that blows.ProngerBlues44 wrote:FYI, we also missed on Jon Quick. He was drafted in the second round by the Kings.richtedm wrote:I would also criticize them for passing on Paul Stastny, that one is gonna hurt as long as Paul is in the league.
Just goes to show talent can come out of nowhere.
Kovalchuk turned down that 100 million contract from Atlanta. He didn't want to re-sign in Atlanta. They could have offered him $12 million a season and he would have turned it down.DaDitka wrote:Great points, but they don't mean sh*t.cprice12 wrote:How do you figure?thedoc wrote:We need at least $10 million to even be in the running to sign Kolvy.
Ovechkin makes $9 million per year and then it bumps to $10 million per year in 2014. Kovalchuk is a great player, but he doesn't bring as much to the table as Ovechkin. Ovechkin currently has almost 30 more points than Kovalchuk and he outscored him by 20+ pts. last year. Plus Ovechkin bring the physical aspect to the table and not to mention a more dynamic player with the puck.
Kovalchuk also has never reached 100pts. and he's been in the league 8 years now...and he's only cracked 90 pts. once in the past four seasons...and he won't hit 90 this season, hell...he probably won't hit 80 pts this year.
Kovalchuk makes $7.5 million now. That's about what he's worth I guess, but he figures to get a slight raise just because teams will overpay. I think $8.5 million could get him...unless he gets some goofy/retarded Zetterburg length contract where he makes $6 million or so per year for 500 years...which I think the Blues should try. They could try to offer him an 8 year contract and front load it so the first 4 years are worth $32 million ($8 million per) and the next two are worth $12 million ($6 million per) and the final 2 are with $2 million per. That's a $48 million contract over 8 years, and it's only $6 million against the cap each year.
Dude already turned down 10 mill a year and a contract for over 100 mill. Someone is going to give it to him period, so if you’re not willing to, you won’t get him.
What you'r worth and what you'll get are not always the same thing.
*DING DING*glen a richter wrote:It is distinctly possible that the worst thing that could happen to an organization would be to make the playoffs every year but have nothing to show for it. Maybe missing once or twice and drafting in a better spot (or not losing 100 years worth of first rounders to other teams) would have benefited this team long term.
Dude, I sssssoooooo hope you're right, but everything I'm hearing on Sirius radio, NHL Network, and the interwebs is saying it's going to be a 10 mill a year average.cprice12 wrote:Kovalchuk turned down that 100 million contract from Atlanta. He didn't want to re-sign in Atlanta. They could have offered him $12 million a season and he would have turned it down.DaDitka wrote:Great points, but they don't mean sh*t.cprice12 wrote:How do you figure?thedoc wrote:We need at least $10 million to even be in the running to sign Kolvy.
Ovechkin makes $9 million per year and then it bumps to $10 million per year in 2014. Kovalchuk is a great player, but he doesn't bring as much to the table as Ovechkin. Ovechkin currently has almost 30 more points than Kovalchuk and he outscored him by 20+ pts. last year. Plus Ovechkin bring the physical aspect to the table and not to mention a more dynamic player with the puck.
Kovalchuk also has never reached 100pts. and he's been in the league 8 years now...and he's only cracked 90 pts. once in the past four seasons...and he won't hit 90 this season, hell...he probably won't hit 80 pts this year.
Kovalchuk makes $7.5 million now. That's about what he's worth I guess, but he figures to get a slight raise just because teams will overpay. I think $8.5 million could get him...unless he gets some goofy/retarded Zetterburg length contract where he makes $6 million or so per year for 500 years...which I think the Blues should try. They could try to offer him an 8 year contract and front load it so the first 4 years are worth $32 million ($8 million per) and the next two are worth $12 million ($6 million per) and the final 2 are with $2 million per. That's a $48 million contract over 8 years, and it's only $6 million against the cap each year.
Dude already turned down 10 mill a year and a contract for over 100 mill. Someone is going to give it to him period, so if you’re not willing to, you won’t get him.
What you'r worth and what you'll get are not always the same thing.
He won't get more than Ovechkin. If he does, he is getting overpaid by a nice chunk. He isn't better than Ovechkin...not even close. I wouldn't want the Blues to dump $10 million on him...unless we have to do it to prevent Detroit or Chicago from getting him.
If you offer him a frontloaded, long term deal...like Franzen & Zetterberg...you should be able to get him for no more than a $7 million cap hit per year. And that's the way it seems to be going in the NHL if you want a great player. And since Detroit is getting away with it, the Blues need to jump on board with a deal or two like this before they outlaw it in the new CBA or else they are going to be playing shorthanded, so to speak.
I don't know if NJ would take anything less than five 1st rounders.OPTIMEGUS wrote:How high of a pick would you trade to NJ before the draft/free agency for the opportunity to negotiate with Kovalchuk before FA season?
I'd part with a 2nd for that chance
Fixed.gaijin wrote:I don't know if Washington would take anything less than five 1st rounders.OPTIMEGUS wrote:How high of a pick would you trade to NJ before the draft/free agency for the opportunity to negotiate with Kovalchuk before FA season?
I'd part with a 2nd for that chance
Does Kovalchuk get a say in who NJ trades his negotiating rights to? It would be a shame if we gave up a high-round pick for a guy who has absolutely no intention of signing with St. Louis, no matter the $ amount (like Atlanta).
This can't be helping his stock any. Past his prime & softer than medicated cotton.Blues left winger Paul Kariya left Tuesday’s 4-2 win over Chicago after the first period with a lower-body injury. After the game, Blues coach Davis Payne said that Kariya was day to day.
Kariya was not on the ice this morning, and Payne said following practice that Kariya will not play Thursday against the Nashville Predators. The team is not saying how or when the injury happened.
“Lower body . . . (Kariya is) having some tests today and is day to day . . . won’t be traveling with us,” Payne said.
The loss is costly for the Blues, who have won three straight games and are six points out of the No. 8 spot with six games to play. Not including yesterday, when he only played one period, Kariya has 15 points (eight goals, seven assists) in his last 16 complete games.
“He’s a guy that’s playing extremely well with the (David) Backes and (T.J.) Oshie group, contributing on the power play and giving us the speed element,” Payne said. “Obviously it hurts, but now it becomes crucial that somebody else pick up that slack, that ice time and that performance level.”
That “somebody” will be Alex Steen. Steen stepped into Kariya’s spot Tuesday night and finished with two goals, one assists and seven shots in a season-high 20 minutes, 50 seconds of ice time.
“Well, we’ll leave Alex there for right now,” Payne said. “We’ll go through today and see how everybody else is feeling and balance that out with the rest of our lines tomorrow.”
Steen is looking forward to the assignment.
“It’ll be fun . . . Backes and Osh are hard-working guys . . . great skills, both of them are talented,” Steen said. “I’ve got to stick to my type of game, but I think we’ll complement each other well and hopefully we’ll have a good game.”
Thank you Kariya...stlbluz wrote:This can't be helping his stock any. Past his prime & softer than medicated cotton.Blues left winger Paul Kariya left Tuesday’s 4-2 win over Chicago after the first period with a lower-body injury. After the game, Blues coach Davis Payne said that Kariya was day to day.
Kariya was not on the ice this morning, and Payne said following practice that Kariya will not play Thursday against the Nashville Predators. The team is not saying how or when the injury happened.
“Lower body . . . (Kariya is) having some tests today and is day to day . . . won’t be traveling with us,” Payne said.
The loss is costly for the Blues, who have won three straight games and are six points out of the No. 8 spot with six games to play. Not including yesterday, when he only played one period, Kariya has 15 points (eight goals, seven assists) in his last 16 complete games.
“He’s a guy that’s playing extremely well with the (David) Backes and (T.J.) Oshie group, contributing on the power play and giving us the speed element,” Payne said. “Obviously it hurts, but now it becomes crucial that somebody else pick up that slack, that ice time and that performance level.”
That “somebody” will be Alex Steen. Steen stepped into Kariya’s spot Tuesday night and finished with two goals, one assists and seven shots in a season-high 20 minutes, 50 seconds of ice time.
“Well, we’ll leave Alex there for right now,” Payne said. “We’ll go through today and see how everybody else is feeling and balance that out with the rest of our lines tomorrow.”
Steen is looking forward to the assignment.
“It’ll be fun . . . Backes and Osh are hard-working guys . . . great skills, both of them are talented,” Steen said. “I’ve got to stick to my type of game, but I think we’ll complement each other well and hopefully we’ll have a good game.”
