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theohall wrote:I don't know what game it was but NBCSN Wednesday night during pregame showed an older video of Keith swinging his stick at a player's head from behind and connecting. Blatant stick to the head with the puck nowhere near either of them and the player being hit completely defenseless. During one of the NHL Radio shows a former ref commented that the NHL Officiating crew which does suspensions has more video than one would think for basically every questionable type hit be each player. That stick swinging thing from before will count in the review as much as Chicago fans might try to claim it won't.

So it is blatantly not a "first time offense" of this exact type.
What you're describing sounds like a video on the first page vs Jeff Carter.

It makes sense that they have video of questionable hits on so many players. They SHOULD take more into account than his most recent suspension. There's a big difference between a player that constantly skirts the line, but hasn't gone way over it in 18 months and a player that is mostly clean, but did something dumb/negligent, etc. Those 2 players shouldn't be considered to have the same past when being reviewed for something dirty.
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Just found out that Coyle kind of cross checked Keith in the face when they came together along the boards a couple seconds before he was tripped down by Coyle.
Not that it justifies what Keith did, but it may help people understand what Keith was thinking. He was pissed...and then he got tripped down by the same guy and he got more pissed, then overreacted and tried to take Coyle's face off.

I bet that factors into the suspension. I don't think it should, but I bet it does.
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cprice12 wrote:Just found out that Coyle kind of cross checked Keith in the face when they came together along the boards a couple seconds before he was tripped down by Coyle.
Not that it justifies what Keith did, but it may help people understand what Keith was thinking. He was pissed...and then he got tripped down by the same guy and he got more pissed, then overreacted and tried to take Coyle's face off.

I bet that factors into the suspension. I don't think it should, but I bet it does.
You can see it on the video, right at the very beginning. It's not a crosscheck, more of a shove to the side of the head but I see your point.

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cprice12 wrote:Just found out that Coyle kind of cross checked Keith in the face when they came together along the boards a couple seconds before he was tripped down by Coyle.
Not that it justifies what Keith did, but it may help people understand what Keith was thinking. He was pissed...and then he got tripped down by the same guy and he got more pissed, then overreacted and tried to take Coyle's face off.

I bet that factors into the suspension. I don't think it should, but I bet it does.
You can see it on the video, right at the very beginning. It's not a crosscheck, more of a shove to the side of the head but I see your point.

Some Hawk fans are saying it's a vicious, intentional crosscheck to the face and is suspension worthy.
Some are also saying that Coyle's knock down of Keith was worthy of a major penalty.

I kid you not.
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Hearing is underway...so I guess we'll know rather soon what Keith will get.
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cprice12 wrote:Just found out that Coyle kind of cross checked Keith in the face when they came together along the boards a couple seconds before he was tripped down by Coyle.
Not that it justifies what Keith did, but it may help people understand what Keith was thinking. He was pissed...and then he got tripped down by the same guy and he got more pissed, then overreacted and tried to take Coyle's face off.

I bet that factors into the suspension. I don't think it should, but I bet it does.
You can see it on the video, right at the very beginning. It's not a crosscheck, more of a shove to the side of the head but I see your point.

Some Hawk fans are saying it's a vicious, intentional crosscheck to the face and is suspension worthy.
Some are also saying that Coyle's knock down of Keith was worthy of a major penalty.

I kid you not.
Now THIS is a vicious, intentional crosscheck.

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I get why Coyle's play is part of the conversation, why Keith was mad, etc. But, it mostly just legitimizes why Keith was mad, not why Keith swung his stick at Coyle's head. I don't think understanding why Keith was upset mitigates what he did any, so it's mostly, if not entirely, irrelevant. NHL needs to come down hard on this.
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BTW, today is April Fool's Day. There are fake reports of him getting 7 games. That might be what he gets, but the reports so far are from fake twitter accounts.
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cardsfan04 wrote:BTW, today is April Fool's Day. There are fake reports of him getting 7 games. That might be what he gets, but the reports so far are from fake twitter accounts.
That's like THE WORST April fool's day prank ever. Who the frank cares.
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ComradeT wrote:
cardsfan04 wrote:BTW, today is April Fool's Day. There are fake reports of him getting 7 games. That might be what he gets, but the reports so far are from fake twitter accounts.
That's like THE WORST April fool's day prank ever. Who the frank cares.
Yeah, it's a pretty lame joke. Fake sports news on twitter is always annoying.
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Just announced - he got 6 games

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Kerfuffle wrote:Just announced - he got 6 games
I'd have given him at least 10. Six only goes 1 game into the playoffs. Should have been at the VERY LEAST 7, - 2 games into the playoffs.
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Unfortunately its what was expected. At least it goes into the playoffs I guess.

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6 games is disappointing. He should have at least got 7. What a joke. An intentional, nasty stick swing at a head that makes contact and draws blood. Repeat offender and everything...and he just gets 6 games.

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cprice12 wrote:6 games is disappointing. He should have at least got 7. What a joke. An intentional, nasty stick swing at a head that makes contact and draws blood. Repeat offender and everything...and he just gets 6 games.
C'mon cprice - 6 games is a disappointment but 7 would have been acceptable? A one game difference? As I mentioned in an earlier post Keith is considered a first time offender due to the 18 month gap - this was part of the NHL explanation as well. And yes they also mentioned that he was previously suspended for another stick incident but clearly they didn't suspend him with a term that is indicative of a repeat offender - they went by the rule. And although Coyle had a small injury with blood he was not decapitated and even played the rest of the game. I know that the guy that got injured should not be a factor but you know it always is. Obviously if Keith had severed Coyle's carotid artery this would have been a LOT more serious and even criminal but that didn't happen and you have to go by what did happen and not what MIGHT have happened. That's my take.

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cprice12 wrote:6 games is disappointing. He should have at least got 7. What a joke. An intentional, nasty stick swing at a head that makes contact and draws blood. Repeat offender and everything...and he just gets 6 games.
C'mon cprice - 6 games is a disappointment but 7 would have been acceptable? A one game difference? As I mentioned in an earlier post Keith is considered a first time offender due to the 18 month gap - this was part of the NHL explanation as well. And yes they also mentioned that he was previously suspended for another stick incident but clearly they didn't suspend him with a term that is indicative of a repeat offender - they went by the rule. And although Coyle had a small injury with blood he was not decapitated and even played the rest of the game. I know that the guy that got injured should not be a factor but you know it always is. Obviously if Keith had severed Coyle's carotid artery this would have been a LOT more serious and even criminal but that didn't happen and you have to go by what did happen and not what MIGHT have happened. That's my take.
Oh, good, when he used his stick as a weapon for at least the second time in his career, he didn't end Coyle's life. Kudos to Keith. Your examples are obviously extreme. Let's try to keep the discussion at least reasonable.

My issue with 6 games is this. Blackhawks are essentially locked into 3rd place in the central, which makes the first 5 games of the 6 game suspension essentially irrelevant. I'm not sure how much the NHL should factor that into their decision. But, when 6 games is toward the low end of reasonable, it would be nice if more than 1 of them has any practical impact. Instead, he gets to rest up for a couple weeks for the playoffs. That'll really show him.
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cprice12 wrote:6 games is disappointing. He should have at least got 7. What a joke. An intentional, nasty stick swing at a head that makes contact and draws blood. Repeat offender and everything...and he just gets 6 games.
C'mon cprice - 6 games is a disappointment but 7 would have been acceptable? A one game difference? As I mentioned in an earlier post Keith is considered a first time offender due to the 18 month gap - this was part of the NHL explanation as well. And yes they also mentioned that he was previously suspended for another stick incident but clearly they didn't suspend him with a term that is indicative of a repeat offender - they went by the rule. And although Coyle had a small injury with blood he was not decapitated and even played the rest of the game. I know that the guy that got injured should not be a factor but you know it always is. Obviously if Keith had severed Coyle's carotid artery this would have been a LOT more serious and even criminal but that didn't happen and you have to go by what did happen and not what MIGHT have happened. That's my take.
The rule states that previous suspensions can be factored in. The 18 month thing applies primarily to the fine that will be imposed.
Here it is:
https://www.nhl.com/news/department-of- ... -738846#q8
A Player is considered a repeat offender for 18 months following his most recent incident that resulted in a suspension. His status as a repeat offender in this category is used to determine the amount of salary forfeited should he receive another suspension.

It is important to note that even if a Player is not defined as a repeat offender, his past history may come into consideration when determining future Supplemental Discipline.
The fact that his most recent suspension was also for a slash to the face SHOULD have factored in. He isn't just a repeat offender in terms of being suspended before, he was suspended for an intentional slash to the face just a couple seasons ago before this last intentional slash to the face. Obviously Keith didn't get the message from his last suspension for the same type of play...so the suspension needs to be severe.

And yes, he should have gotten at least 7 games. A LOT of people were saying this as well. I said he SHOULD get 10, but I thought he would actually get 7 or 8. Only suspending him for 1 playoff game is a joke. The first two games of a series would have been the absolute minimum as far as I am concerned. One less playoff game is a big deal.

Keith essentially gets to rest up for the playoffs so he can be ready to play 35+ minutes a game. That's wrong.

If Ryan Reaves had done this to Toewes, Reaves would have received 20 games. The double standard exists and it's wrong.

Every time the NHL hands down a suspension for something serious like this to a star player, it's always less than it should be. Every time.

The fact that he returned to the game should have nothing to do with it at all. It was an intentional and forceful stick to the head and it was an intent to injur. That's about as serious as a stick infraction as you can get...and it amounts to him missing 1 playoff game. Whoop Dee Doo. It SHOULD have been at least 10 games...and the fact that it was less than 7, yes...is a complete joke.
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What curt said.

At least the minor league commissioners have the balls to suspend players long enough to make them miss significant events like that McKenzie kid, can't remember the name exactly, who had too miss the world juniors for Canada. The league is just proving intent to injure in relation to head injury suspensions aren't going to be meaningful if it's a star player committing the infraction. In other words, they don't give two sh*ts about head injuries, really.
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That slash of Carter was the one I saw Wednesday night. 7 games is a joke. Especially for a 2-time repeat offender for the same act.
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