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Blues sign Mike Hoffman to PTO

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Most likely he's agreed with them on a one-year contract, which will be signed as soon as The Blues get their LTIR money for Steen and Tarasenko. While he's technically able to sign with ANY team until then, I'd bet the farm that he's already committed verbally to sign with The Blues, and will not break that agreement. The Blues are waiting to sign him at the beginning of the season to maximise their LTR money. Hoffman knows that, and most likely wants to play for The Blues for the amount they promised.

This is just what I was hoping for on the offensive side. Now, I hope there will be enough cap room left over for them to sign or trade for a veteran LD.

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I like the offensive boost he'll probably provide but from all accounts he (and his.... wife? girlfriend? significant other?) are major cancers.
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Holy crap! Army/stillman just want to win. I thought we would sign a tweener 2nd/3rd liner to provide a little competition for kyrou. I really didn’t expect them to sign a legit scoring line winger.
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Re: Blues sign Mike Hoffman to PTO

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Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:11 am
I like the offensive boost he'll probably provide but from all accounts he (and his.... wife? girlfriend? significant other?) are major cancers.
I believe/hope that everyone would be able to suck it up for 6 months even if it's bad. Which I don't think it will be. The guy wants to win. He's not going to come in guns blazing. I would hope.
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Re: Blues sign Mike Hoffman to PTO

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glen a richter wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:11 am
from all accounts he (and his.... wife? girlfriend? significant other?) are major cancers.
I dunno about that. And I didn't feel like I knew enough about the incident and the aftermath, so I did some digging...
Nothing was ever proven one way or the other that Monika Caryk did what she's been accused of doing (cyberbullying). IP addresses of the hateful stuff posted never matched up with her's (that doesn't make her innocent, but that along with other stuff only helps her case), she has also consistently denied it from the start (again, doesn't mean she didn't do it, but consistency in her story helps her case).

Hoffman & Caryk had asked the Karlssons to show them proof or evidence or information that made them believe that Monika did this, and they refused to share any of that info for some reason.
They actually refused numerous times.
So, in trying to clear her name, and because the Karlssons were so adamant about not sharing any info on it, Caryk filed a Norwich Order to try to force them to disclose that info, and if upheld by a judge, would legally require Ms. Karlsson to disclose any and all information and knowledge that is in any way relevant to the allegations that Caryk engaged in cyberbullying against Ms. Karlsson.
The judge denied the order and essentially determined it to not be a matter for the courts to deal with. (that sucks for message board discussions :grin: )
So Ms. Karlsson didn't have to disclose the information or evidence that she did or did not have, which essentially put an end to all of this as far as getting to the bottom of it all.

I find all of that VERY weird...and it makes me want to give Caryk the benefit of the doubt for sure. She certainly was going to great lengths to try to clear her name, but the Karlsson's fought that every step of the way. Which, again...seems rather suspicious. Those are pretty damning accusations, and to then refuse to share why she felt Caryk was the one behind the cyberbullying, and to go to court to NOT reveal that info?
Nah... something isn't right there.
Based on all of that nonsense, Caryk is free and clear of the charges as far as I'm concerned. You gotta have proof, and you can't claim to have proof but refuse to disclose it. That just makes you look like a liar.

The stuff I've heard about Hoffman himself range from being a great guy, to just fine in the locker room, to not the nicest guy publicly. So it sounds like it depends who you ask...which is pretty much the case with a lot of athletes.

Posts online from Panthers fans generally had good things to say about Hoffman and they said they never heard a peep out of Caryk while they were there. In other words, no issues with either.

I'm gonna say that Hoffman will be just fine in the locker room and the "locker room cancer" thing is BS... like it probably is in the vast majority of times players get that label from fans.
He took less money to sign here because he wanted to be here. And he was willing to sign a PTO and work with the Blues to get around the cap issues. There is some risk for Hoffman. If he gets hurt in camp, then the Blues can just walk away and not offer him a contract. IMO, you gotta love a guy who really wants to play here and will take measures to make that happen. Schenn is a good example of that. He dumped his agency and hired someone who could get a deal done to stay here...and he's here.
If there were fans in the stands, Hoffman would get a real nice ovation when introduced.

I'm sure there are plenty of assholes in the NHL. I'm not saying Hoffman is that, but even if he is, that doesn't make him a bad teammate or detrimental to the team.
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Re: Blues sign Mike Hoffman to PTO

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cprice12 wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:20 am
glen a richter wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:11 am
from all accounts he (and his.... wife? girlfriend? significant other?) are major cancers.
I dunno about that. And I didn't feel like I knew enough about the incident and the aftermath, so I did some digging...
Nothing was ever proven one way or the other that Monika Caryk did what she's been accused of doing (cyberbullying). IP addresses of the hateful stuff posted never matched up with her's (that doesn't make her innocent, but that along with other stuff only helps her case), she has also consistently denied it from the start (again, doesn't mean she didn't do it, but consistency in her story helps her case).

Hoffman & Caryk had asked the Karlssons to show them proof or evidence or information that made them believe that Monika did this, and they refused to share any of that info for some reason.
They actually refused numerous times.
So, in trying to clear her name, and because the Karlssons were so adamant about not sharing any info on it, Caryk filed a Norwich Order to try to force them to disclose that info, and if upheld by a judge, would legally require Ms. Karlsson to disclose any and all information and knowledge that is in any way relevant to the allegations that Caryk engaged in cyberbullying against Ms. Karlsson.
The judge denied the order and essentially determined it to not be a matter for the courts to deal with. (that sucks for message board discussions :grin: )
So Ms. Karlsson didn't have to disclose the information or evidence that she did or did not have, which essentially put an end to all of this as far as getting to the bottom of it all.

I find all of that VERY weird...and it makes me want to give Caryk the benefit of the doubt for sure. She certainly was going to great lengths to try to clear her name, but the Karlsson's fought that every step of the way. Which, again...seems rather suspicious. Those are pretty damning accusations, and to then refuse to share why she felt Caryk was the one behind the cyberbullying, and to go to court to NOT reveal that info?
Nah... something isn't right there.
Based on all of that nonsense, Caryk is free and clear of the charges as far as I'm concerned. You gotta have proof, and you can't claim to have proof but refuse to disclose it. That just makes you look like a liar.

The stuff I've heard about Hoffman himself range from being a great guy, to just fine in the locker room, to not the nicest guy publicly. So it sounds like it depends who you ask...which is pretty much the case with a lot of athletes.

Posts online from Panthers fans generally had good things to say about Hoffman and they said they never heard a peep out of Caryk while they were there. In other words, no issues with either.

I'm gonna say that Hoffman will be just fine in the locker room and the "locker room cancer" thing is BS... like it probably is in the vast majority of times players get that label from fans.
He took less money to sign here because he wanted to be here. And he was willing to sign a PTO and work with the Blues to get around the cap issues. There is some risk for Hoffman. If he gets hurt in camp, then the Blues can just walk away and not offer him a contract. IMO, you gotta love a guy who really wants to play here and will take measures to make that happen. Schenn is a good example of that. He dumped his agency and hired someone who could get a deal done to stay here...and he's here.
If there were fans in the stands, Hoffman would get a real nice ovation when introduced.

I'm sure there are plenty of assholes in the NHL. I'm not saying Hoffman is that, but even if he is, that doesn't make him a bad teammate or detrimental to the team.
Good summary there Curt :okman:

You can be an asshole and play in the NHL (not saying Hoffman is; just making a general statement). You just gotta tow the line enough, especially with your teammates, fans, executives, etc, and keep enough of it to yourself that you can still co-exist and be productive with everyone. And, as I say, all indications are this is a 6 months arrangement. All parties involved have every incentive to make this work and go take another run at a cup.

It'll be fine. As you seem to by implying Curt and I agree with: this is more smoke than fire.
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WaukeeBlues wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:22 pm
cprice12 wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:20 am
glen a richter wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:11 am
from all accounts he (and his.... wife? girlfriend? significant other?) are major cancers.
I dunno about that. And I didn't feel like I knew enough about the incident and the aftermath, so I did some digging...
Nothing was ever proven one way or the other that Monika Caryk did what she's been accused of doing (cyberbullying). IP addresses of the hateful stuff posted never matched up with her's (that doesn't make her innocent, but that along with other stuff only helps her case), she has also consistently denied it from the start (again, doesn't mean she didn't do it, but consistency in her story helps her case).

Hoffman & Caryk had asked the Karlssons to show them proof or evidence or information that made them believe that Monika did this, and they refused to share any of that info for some reason.
They actually refused numerous times.
So, in trying to clear her name, and because the Karlssons were so adamant about not sharing any info on it, Caryk filed a Norwich Order to try to force them to disclose that info, and if upheld by a judge, would legally require Ms. Karlsson to disclose any and all information and knowledge that is in any way relevant to the allegations that Caryk engaged in cyberbullying against Ms. Karlsson.
The judge denied the order and essentially determined it to not be a matter for the courts to deal with. (that sucks for message board discussions :grin: )
So Ms. Karlsson didn't have to disclose the information or evidence that she did or did not have, which essentially put an end to all of this as far as getting to the bottom of it all.

I find all of that VERY weird...and it makes me want to give Caryk the benefit of the doubt for sure. She certainly was going to great lengths to try to clear her name, but the Karlsson's fought that every step of the way. Which, again...seems rather suspicious. Those are pretty damning accusations, and to then refuse to share why she felt Caryk was the one behind the cyberbullying, and to go to court to NOT reveal that info?
Nah... something isn't right there.
Based on all of that nonsense, Caryk is free and clear of the charges as far as I'm concerned. You gotta have proof, and you can't claim to have proof but refuse to disclose it. That just makes you look like a liar.

The stuff I've heard about Hoffman himself range from being a great guy, to just fine in the locker room, to not the nicest guy publicly. So it sounds like it depends who you ask...which is pretty much the case with a lot of athletes.

Posts online from Panthers fans generally had good things to say about Hoffman and they said they never heard a peep out of Caryk while they were there. In other words, no issues with either.

I'm gonna say that Hoffman will be just fine in the locker room and the "locker room cancer" thing is BS... like it probably is in the vast majority of times players get that label from fans.
He took less money to sign here because he wanted to be here. And he was willing to sign a PTO and work with the Blues to get around the cap issues. There is some risk for Hoffman. If he gets hurt in camp, then the Blues can just walk away and not offer him a contract. IMO, you gotta love a guy who really wants to play here and will take measures to make that happen. Schenn is a good example of that. He dumped his agency and hired someone who could get a deal done to stay here...and he's here.
If there were fans in the stands, Hoffman would get a real nice ovation when introduced.

I'm sure there are plenty of assholes in the NHL. I'm not saying Hoffman is that, but even if he is, that doesn't make him a bad teammate or detrimental to the team.
Good summary there Curt :okman:

You can be an asshole and play in the NHL (not saying Hoffman is; just making a general statement). You just gotta tow the line enough, especially with your teammates, fans, executives, etc, and keep enough of it to yourself that you can still co-exist and be productive with everyone. And, as I say, all indications are this is a 6 months arrangement. All parties involved have every incentive to make this work and go take another run at a cup.

It'll be fine. As you seem to by implying Curt and I agree with: this is more smoke than fire.
The accusation of cyberbullying was covered by a ton of people and everyone knows about it. Which was pretty slanderous towards Hoffman's fiancee. And now everyone just assumes she did it without any proof at all being shared.
What stinks about it, is that nobody really covered what happened with the Norwich Order that Caryk filed to try to clear her name and how the Karlsson's refused to share any proof they say they had.
To me, that should essentially clear Caryk's name and give a big WTF to the Karlsson's... but nobody knows about that aspect of it. :-?
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I appreciate the digging Curt. I figured the Blues wouldn't sign a guy who was potentially a cancer in the locker room. They have too much of a good thing going, and are not all that far removed from a lot of locker room strife.

Also, while I remembered vaguely that there were these issues years ago, I figured that since we hadn't heard anything since that, even if they were guilty, they have appeared to have grown up (or at least enough so). Some people mature late. Or, as you have shown, there appears to be a strong argument that maybe it wasn't them.

I've no doubt that if he's a problem he'll be cut or traded. I don't forsee him being a problem. He's here to win and up his value. Drama will only ruin those goals.
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