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When do I get my refund!!!


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So close, and now we're so far away again...

Back to "linkage," "free market," and "philosophical differences."

A whole year wasted, and no hope for next year.

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When do I get my refund!!!


very soon I hope. I want my dough

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It's amazing that the players still don't get it. They've blamed this on Bettman all along. Guess what player. If I was commissioner, I would have done the same thing.

Death to the NHLPA!

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as easy as it has always been to use bettman as a scapegoat for everything that's wrong with hockey (and sometimes rightly so), he is handling himself very well at this press conference and i agree with - and more importantly, understand - exactly what he's saying.

i think he clearly loves hockey more than i ever thought he did.

i'm sure i will have plenty of negative things to say about him in the future, but today, this man has my respect. he has done everything logically possible to get this done and the PA wrecked his train.


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That damn close.

Way to go :roll:

It never should have gotten to this point. If those two (Frankers) would have talked on a regular basis, this could have been avoided.

Stupidy.
Greed.
Stubborness.
Pride.

All took a front seat to "Fans".

(Frank) you, Bob. (Frank) you, Gary. (Frank) you, NHL.


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Bring on the replacement players.
May the NHLPA members and Goodenow all burn in hell.


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as easy as it has always been to use bettman as a scapegoat for everything that's wrong with hockey (and sometimes rightly so), he is handling himself very well at this press conference and i agree with - and more importantly, understand - exactly what he's saying.

i think he clearly loves hockey more than i ever thought he did.

i'm sure i will have plenty of negative things to say about him in the future, but today, this man has my respect. he has done everything logically possible to get this done and the PA wrecked his train.


except work like hell to get phone calls, meetings, and emails sent/received during the last 4 months.....


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He keeps saying that there will be a season next year...but how if they can't come to an agrement? Is there a process to get replacement players to fill the teams?

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TC wrote:
as easy as it has always been to use bettman as a scapegoat for everything that's wrong with hockey (and sometimes rightly so), he is handling himself very well at this press conference and i agree with - and more importantly, understand - exactly what he's saying.

i think he clearly loves hockey more than i ever thought he did.

i'm sure i will have plenty of negative things to say about him in the future, but today, this man has my respect. he has done everything logically possible to get this done and the PA wrecked his train.


Good point. I've done my share of criticizing him in the past, and probably do more in the future, but I cannot argue what he has done in this negotiation at all.


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Well, that's the end of the season, but there's still a lot of work to be done if there is going to be hockey in September.

Bah, who am I fooling? Nothing will be done until it's too late again. Whether it's an impasse or the next season, these idiots will wait until it's too late.


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Well, that's the end of the season, but there's still a lot of work to be done if there is going to be hockey in September.

Bah, who am I fooling? Nothing will be done until it's too late again. Whether it's an impasse or the next season, these idiots will wait until it's too late.


If there is going to be nhl hockey in September, it will have to be with replacement players. Unless the players have a full scale revolt, Goodenow will not fold even at the cost of 2 or 3 seasons.


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TC wrote:
as easy as it has always been to use bettman as a scapegoat for everything that's wrong with hockey (and sometimes rightly so), he is handling himself very well at this press conference and i agree with - and more importantly, understand - exactly what he's saying.

i think he clearly loves hockey more than i ever thought he did.

i'm sure i will have plenty of negative things to say about him in the future, but today, this man has my respect. he has done everything logically possible to get this done and the PA wrecked his train.


except work like hell to get phone calls, meetings, and emails sent/received during the last 4 months.....

well demon, i'm pretty sure a negotiation goes like this: one party makes an offer, the other party accepts it or the other party regects it then counter-offers. bettman's responsibility to the owners and the game far supersedes what the NHLPA unfairly expected of him.


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With the way deadlines and time pressures work, do you guys expect the two sides to meet anytime soon?

They didn't meet between September and December.

I could see them waiting until the Summer, if not the latter half.

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With the way deadlines and time pressures work, do you guys expect the two sides to meet anytime soon?

They didn't meet between September and December.

I could see them waiting until the Summer, if not the latter half.


It all depends on player reaction. If they rise up and force Goodenow to do somthing, negotiations could start anytime.
If the silent majority continue to stay passive - I'd say we are looking at losing a minimum of next season before anything gets done.


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TC wrote:
as easy as it has always been to use bettman as a scapegoat for everything that's wrong with hockey (and sometimes rightly so), he is handling himself very well at this press conference and i agree with - and more importantly, understand - exactly what he's saying.

i think he clearly loves hockey more than i ever thought he did.

i'm sure i will have plenty of negative things to say about him in the future, but today, this man has my respect. he has done everything logically possible to get this done and the PA wrecked his train.


except work like hell to get phone calls, meetings, and emails sent/received during the last 4 months.....

well demon, i'm pretty sure a negotiation goes like this: one party makes an offer, the other party accepts it or the other party regects it then counter-offers. bettman's responsibility to the owners and the game far supersedes what the NHLPA unfairly expected of him.


Well, TC, I'm pretty sure condescending goes like this:
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well demon, i'm pretty sure a negotiation goes like this: one party makes an offer, the other party accepts it or the other party regects it then counter-offers. bettman's responsibility to the owners and the game far supersedes what the NHLPA unfairly expected of him.


If Bettmen was working for the best action of the NHL, he would have sent Goodenow a proposal, and then followed up with a phone call, and then another phone call, all with conversations starting like this

"Hey, Bob. We really gotta make this thing work. No sense being stubborn about it, there are a lot of people depending on us." and continuing to build a relationship rather than a wall between the two of them.

I don't call sending a proposal, and then waiting weeks or months for a response a "negotiation." I call it a half-assed attempt, with the results not the focus at all.

Of course, that's just me.


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Buttman does not get why players would play in smaller buildings or get paid less by playing in Europe....the league is ON, not off. That is why.

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well demon, that was more of a "sigh" than "condescending", as i am pretty (Franking) depressed. but i see your point.


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